>The iMac does not have the option of zeroing the data apparently so the 
>only option is to just erase the hard drive.   There is not a secure 
>empty trash option on the iMac as it is only running 10.1 so I just 
>erased the hard drive and re-installed the OS.

I'm not 100% sure where it is in OS X, but in OS 9, in the Drive Setup 
util, you had to go to the Functions menu and choose Init Options. Then 
check off Zero All Data.

I'm sure OS X has a similar option. Zeroing the data isn't only useful 
for more securely formatting the drive, but also for testing for bad 
blocks. If you have a suspect drive, you can Zero all data, and if it 
hits non writable blocks, it will error out.

>Are you saying the secure empty trash is actually more secure than 
>erasing the drive ?

Probably, unless you are using the Zero All Data option. Secure Empty 
Trash overwrites the data being deleted (I'm not sure what patterns it 
uses, but likely multiple passes of all zeros and probably one or more 
passes of random data). This data can still be recovered, but only by 
those that really want it back (a pro shop may be able to do it, same 
with the government). Your average user, with off the shelf tools will 
probably not be able to recover the files.

>I was just curious as to how easy it is to retrieve files from an 
>erased hard drive.

>From a regular Erase Drive as done from the Finder... trivial to recover 
that. In fact, most of the off the shelf tools will recover from that in 
the blink of an eye. If you do an Erase from the Disk Util (but do not 
choose to Zero the data), that is also trivial to recover from. In both 
instances, the data isn't being touched, the drive table is simply being 
deleted and a new blank one created. Tools like Disk Warrior are 
specifically designed to deal with that and recover the drive from it.

If you choose to Zero the data, then it is much harder to recover from. 
Likely none of the off the shelf tools will be able to recover the data 
(however, a professional shop probably still can get to it).

Secure Empty Trash may actually be MORE secure then a drive format with 
Zero All Data. I don't know how many passes of Zeros the format will do. 
One pass is my guess, and that isn't enough to be sure it is really gone 
(enough to stop regular tools however). Secure Empty Trash probably does 
multiple passes and so may actually be better then a format.


-chris
<http://www.mythtech.net>


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