Hi Dan,


Now i understood. In ColdFusion we have also some kind of html-generators to build tables, dropdowns, and other elements.

Nobody is using this, the generated code is not usable, it's crap.


If Ipswitch uses handcrafted html-code, it would be on the save side. If not, sayonara.


After the "no go for mac's" as Kevin told us, their using those objects. Oops, they have to rewrite the whole frontend, i guess.


I know, that the population of non-wintel computers is not big, but to ignore it, is false and is not super duper argument to push IMail 2006 and new subscriptions.


Like i sayed before, our customers are mostly ISP's and schools. They won't be very happy with this issue and some decisions will take place.  


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Am Sonntag, 6. November 2005 um 18:49 schrieben Sie:


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Caca.

 

.Net has objects (like buttons, grids, listboxes, etc.) you drag to the "page" in the IDE, and they render code. No HTML must be crafted (if you follow the tutorials - AND - you don't particularly want portable nor efficient code). .Net builds all the code for you, and it's very MicrosoftCentric code. If you code your own HTML, then the rules are the same as any other environment, Cold Fusion, Front Page, Dreamweaver, whatever.

 

It's the "party line" coding practices that build the junk web pages.

 

Dan

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Ted Daniels

Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2005 12:12 PM

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Hey Martin:

 

I am a CF exponent as well, and use it heavily for targeted e-mail distribution using I-Mail. Apart from ASP.net taking 5 times as long to code any application compared with CF, there should be no difference in the end result. Therefore ,net in general is a big kludge designed to capture the VB users and must have some other inefficiencies carefully crafted into it that I am unware of, if it is causing other users problems.

 

Ted Daniels

 

BTW I guess CF may soon become part of Adobe if they buy Macromedia. Should make for an interesting addition in the area of document security.

----- Original Message ----- 

From: Martin Schaible 

To: Darin Cox 

Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2005 9:34 AM

Subject: Re: [IMail Forum] IMail 2006 WebMail w/o Mac


Hi,


So far i know, creating or generating good html/css/dhtml is not a matter of the middleware (e.g. .net, php, coldfusion) you use.

I'm more related to coldfusion, an therefore not eperienced with any members of programming languages of .net.

This might by the reason, for my silly question ;-)


So, what is the problem with .net relating to the client's html/css/dhtml part of an application?


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Am Sonntag, 6. November 2005 um 16:03 schrieben Sie:


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Yep. Grid layouts are still a problem though.  Scrapping those and going with Flow/table layouts with limited divs has worked best for us.  We usually do our mockups outside of .NET for initial layout testing, then bring them in and add the backend code.


Darin.

 

 

----- Original Message ----- 

From: Darrell ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) 

To: [email protected] 

Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2005 10:46 PM

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Darin,

 

I am sure you probably have already done this, but by adding the browsercaps extension in your web.config it goes along way to fixing a lot of the layout issues with Mozilla/Firefox/Netscape/etc.

 

Darrell

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----- Original Message ----- 

From: Darin Cox 

To: [email protected] 

Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2005 9:36 PM

Subject: Re: [IMail Forum] IMail 2006 WebMail w/o Mac


Very true... .NET by default is _extremely_ IE-centric.  In my mind .NET encourages poor layout techniques with the grid layout.  If you've ever created a simple .NET web app without changing the layout, and then tried to view it in NS, FF, or Moz, you know what I mean.  It works a bit better in Opera, but I won't go into Opera's rendering problems...

 

So, best bet is to scrap what .NET tries to lead you to, and use what you already know works for web layout.


Darin.

 

 

----- Original Message ----- 

From: Bud Durland 

To: [email protected] 

Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2005 7:30 PM

Subject: Re: [IMail Forum] IMail 2006 WebMail w/o Mac


Do I understand correctly that IMail's WebMail now run on IIS, with .net roots?  Most likely, therein lies the cause of cross platform woes.


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