And Faster - thank you But back to I-Mail, otherwise we'll be monitored out.
Ted Daniels ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bruce Barnes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2005 2:52 PM Subject: RE: [IMail Forum] IMail 2006 WebMail w/o Mac While I am already dead-set against using NET for any applications, you are basically giving the short answer to why no one should use NET for coding. IE: NET is nothing more than "beefed up" Front Page, except that is places even more Microsoft specific garbage within the code and requires NET enabled servers to run on. Both FRONT PAGE and NET require specific extensions to be running on the server. Both FRONT PAGE and NET require MORE SERVER RESOURCES and MORE PROCESSING POWER to render the pages. Both FRONT PAGE and NET place inordinate lines of extra code, for all practical purposes, GARBAGE, into the code and; Everything done by both FRONT PAGE and NET can be done both easier, better, and more cross-browser compatible using currently available technology, coding software or by actual writing of code the old fashioned way - using a text editor. Thanks for the clarification! I'm prone to both old fashioned text editors and Dreamweaver, which has the capability to remove all Microsoft garbage from code using a very efficient clean up tool that's been built into the last several versions of the program. Bruce Barnes ChicagoNetTech Inc PS: I also refrain from using HTML in all e-mail messages. Plain text is far superior, carries far less likelihood of spreading a virus and doesn't get caught nearly as frequently by spam processors. ________________________________ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dan Barker Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2005 11:50 To: [email protected] Subject: RE: [IMail Forum] IMail 2006 WebMail w/o Mac Caca. .Net has objects (like buttons, grids, listboxes, etc.) you drag to the "page" in the IDE, and they render code. No HTML must be crafted (if you follow the tutorials - AND - you don't particularly want portable nor efficient code). .Net builds all the code for you, and it's very MicrosoftCentric code. If you code your own HTML, then the rules are the same as any other environment, Cold Fusion, Front Page, Dreamweaver, whatever. It's the "party line" coding practices that build the junk web pages. Dan -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Ted Daniels Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2005 12:12 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [IMail Forum] IMail 2006 WebMail w/o Mac Hey Martin: I am a CF exponent as well, and use it heavily for targeted e-mail distribution using I-Mail. Apart from ASP.net taking 5 times as long to code any application compared with CF, there should be no difference in the end result. Therefore ,net in general is a big kludge designed to capture the VB users and must have some other inefficiencies carefully crafted into it that I am unware of, if it is causing other users problems. Ted Daniels BTW I guess CF may soon become part of Adobe if they buy Macromedia. Should make for an interesting addition in the area of document security. ----- Original Message ----- From: Martin Schaible <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Darin Cox <mailto:[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2005 9:34 AM Subject: Re: [IMail Forum] IMail 2006 WebMail w/o Mac Hi, So far i know, creating or generating good html/css/dhtml is not a matter of the middleware (e.g. .net, php, coldfusion) you use. I'm more related to coldfusion, an therefore not eperienced with any members of programming languages of .net. This might by the reason, for my silly question ;-) So, what is the problem with .net relating to the client's html/css/dhtml part of an application? ============================================ Am Sonntag, 6. November 2005 um 16:03 schrieben Sie: > Yep. Grid layouts are still a problem though. Scrapping those and going with Flow/table layouts with limited divs has worked best for us. We usually do our mockups outside of .NET for initial layout testing, then bring them in and add the backend code. Darin. ----- Original Message ----- From: Darrell ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED])> To: [email protected] Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2005 10:46 PM Subject: Re: [IMail Forum] IMail 2006 WebMail w/o Mac Darin, I am sure you probably have already done this, but by adding the browsercaps extension in your web.config it goes along way to fixing a lot of the layout issues with Mozilla/Firefox/Netscape/etc. Darrell ------------------------------------------- invURIBL - Intelligent URI Filtering for Declude, mxGuard, and ORF. Stops SPAM by focusing on the spamvertised link. More effective than traditional RBL's. Download a copy today - http://www.invariantsystems.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Darin Cox <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2005 9:36 PM Subject: Re: [IMail Forum] IMail 2006 WebMail w/o Mac Very true... .NET by default is _extremely_ IE-centric. In my mind .NET encourages poor layout techniques with the grid layout. If you've ever created a simple .NET web app without changing the layout, and then tried to view it in NS, FF, or Moz, you know what I mean. It works a bit better in Opera, but I won't go into Opera's rendering problems... So, best bet is to scrap what .NET tries to lead you to, and use what you already know works for web layout. Darin. ----- Original Message ----- From: Bud Durland <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2005 7:30 PM Subject: Re: [IMail Forum] IMail 2006 WebMail w/o Mac Do I understand correctly that IMail's WebMail now run on IIS, with .net roots? 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