RE: Re(2): [IMail Forum] imail issue

[Patrick Mathews]

post rebukes and flames openly on the forum please, i do not usually respond off the list. i'm only a 'useless list troll' if i'm off topic consistently, or abusive, i Will get TOSsed. ipswitch will be faithful to protect you from the likes of me.   faithful are the wounds of a friend, the kisses of an enemy are deceit.   hatred for my weird style elicits all kinds of responses. from this i winnow the best responses from those whose personal 'noise filters' don't block content.   what does this mean? if i flag your noise filter, you likely are too young or inexperienced to have anything for me. if you are in management or marketing, my chatty excessively personal writing style is designed to get you to 'see my name and delete me immediately'. i'm in lot's of peoples filters.   i want that.   reasons below: follow the personal link for a real lecture on the subject, i can talk with my hands too, you'll see. actually if you follow the thread from the beginning, you'll see that it was an attempt to get off the orbs thread. i got an excellent answer from support, and this morn have determined where to start a security analysis of LDAP and AD.   any group of people, like-minded or not is a social group necessarily.   like doesn't have anything to do with information.   i waste bandwidth with noise, this is ok, if your problem is mission crit, you should be calling or emailing support. most of my troubles aren't so huge.   why am i so curious about just one of my many apps?    i don't understand AD (active directory).  i've been trying to understand AD by studying it directly for a year and a half now.   i've given up, and i'm trying to determine it's characteristics based on it's impact, yes, it's effect on a product that i've run successfully without the AD.   Ms. Metre: forgive my arrogant stupidity, i'm blind: i cannot see the wind the way everyone else tells me that they 'see' it. i don't understand them and i've never been able to relate to normal socialized enfranchised members of our society because of this, i only see the wind's effect. that's why i believe in the wind, not because i claim to see it, but i see what it does.   i lecture on the subject here:  www.patmathews.net/1.avi   please listen and then call the authorities, i doubt that i'm really worthy of normal social interaction with the society that produces vietnam, watergate, survivor, littleton, mcveigh, kacinsky, disgruntled worker syndrome or white collar criminals et al. i'm not worthy. i see it it other peoples eyes, especially corporate mgmt and market droids. i'm damaged goods. foster care, hatred, etc. i'm emotionally disturbed, i don't medicate against medical advice. i'm no danger to myself or anyone else, but this life causes me to weep often.   i, being substandard than they can only produce what you hear in the avi. please forgive me. i'll try to be better, but i don't understand the things that normal people seem to already understand most times.  -----Original Message----- From: Susan Metre [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2001 1:47 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Re(2): [IMail Forum] imail issue Jibberish and waste of email processing. Join a social list.   -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Patrick Mathews Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2001 11:54 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Re(2): [IMail Forum] imail issue m$ doctrine is that AD is LDAP enabled, my original question obscurely stated by a desire to entertain was:   who needs ldap anyway....   i just don't have your gift of putting it succinctly.  now, d3 is checking for me, he's with the band, see? but not officially, he just babysits and makes sure that the salesmen also provide us good bits here.   i expect to raise this issue with our web guy and router guy. i don't really speak to much router or web, my limited talent and experience relegate me to the lowly role of board and drive swapper and all around server geek. so there! a left handed concurrence sir, never let it be said that i said "Me too" in a mere 2 words!! i have a reputation to protect.   signed, paddy mcblarney low priest of quantum verbosity thanks for all the fiche- d.adams revised ----- Original Message ----- From: Imail To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2001 05:27 PM Subject: Re: Re(2): [IMail Forum] imail issue I don't even enable the service.  No need. No desire. No point.   Who needs LDAP anyway? ----- Original Message ----- From: Patrick Mathews To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2001 3:19 PM Subject: RE: Re(2): [IMail Forum] imail issue life is indeed bleak. there is NO moderator. this is anarchy at it's finest. action is the only solution for entropy. ergo, i'm created, therefore i am, cuz most times if i thought, i wouldn't be wondering if i was. those of us who want one outcome or another need to act consistently with our desires: i have a question that has been bothering me about LDAP and Imail: this is not mission crit, but maybe we can waste some cycles on an academic issue. i migrated 5k plus users from a reliable linux config that was upstream from me, good config on their boxes, solid: but the upstream providor in that direction was dicey and unresponsive. my users had down time. this cannot be. i'm not your LDAP guru, in fact: what's an LDAP? wrong list, i'll ask around elsewhere, point i'm making is: p136 in the manual (being stupid i read manuals, it helps mitigate my stupidity) tells me that if i do what i did (and i did) that i may want to populate the ldap directory. does this mean that my 6500 hippies, yuppies, and farmers now are able to see server side info on the client side? there's some things they don't really need to know about each other... Rants, war stories, flames and links appreciated. As Self Appointed List Troll (ol s.a.l.t.) i say that if empty hands are a devils workshop... what's an empty mind? his kitchen!  someone learn me ova heah, hah?     Help other Ipswitch users as they help you. We believe in our customer base, and we think by letting you share ideas all of us can benefit. These e-mail discussion lists are for you to share tips and tricks for using our products. The e-mail lists are unmoderated, but we do read them and will occasionally send our own comments. People who send offensive or abusive messages will be barred from the list. These mailing lists were created with our own IMail Server's List Server module. For more information, visit the IMail Server Product Page List Subscription Form Your Name*: Your E-Mail Address*:        -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Ken Anderson Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2001 4:13 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Mark McDonald Subject: Re(2): [IMail Forum] ORBS IS DEAD! LETS GET ON WITH IMAIL BUSINESS!