Actually, he's not in trouble for blocking anything... He did a
legitimate test that had an unfortunate result... Now it is out of hand.

| -----Original Message-----
| From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
| [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Joe Wolf
| Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2002 4:08 PM
| To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
| Subject: Re: [IMail Forum] ORBZ shut down
| 
| 
| This is just another case of "if you block it you are 
| liable".  This guy is apparently going to have criminal 
| charges brought against him.  That should be a major wake up 
| call for any of you blocking messages!  The ORBS case made that clear.
| 
| -Joe
| ----- Original Message -----
| From: "R. Scott Perry" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
| To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
| Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2002 1:32 PM
| Subject: Re: [IMail Forum] ORBZ shut down
| 
| 
| >
| > >if this is how he want to do business... without thought or 
| > >consideration of others.... well... see ya!
| > >
| > >"It seems one of Gulliver's tests to validate whether a server is 
| > >really an open relay or not was causing Lotus Domino machines to 
| > >crash. One of
| 10
| > >or so e-mail tests routinely conducted, the code in one was causing
| Domino
| > >SMTP servers to enter an endless mail loop, consuming 100 
| percent of 
| > >the CPU and putting it out of commission.
| > >
| > >Laura Atkins, newly installed president of the non-profit anti-spam
| outfit
| > >SpamCon Foundation, said the code changes needed to 
| correct the bug 
| > >was "trivial" but one Gulliver, for one reason or another, was 
| > >unwilling to correct."
| >
| > So it's OK for a Fortune 500 company not to take a few 
| minutes to fix 
| > a major security issue with their software, but a small 
| organization 
| > that is helping reduce the amount of unwanted material on 
| the Internet 
| > (for free) has to make changes to their software to bypass the flaw 
| > (which would only prevent the DoS situation in some cases, not all)?
| >
| > I'm surprised that ORBZ didn't work around this issue -- they really
| should
| > have check the SMTP greeting, and if it indicated a Lotus server, it
| should
| > have not run any tests, and automatically blacklisted the server.  
| > That is the *only* feasible alternative to the Lotus 
| problem, but that 
| > would also punish anyone running Lotus who found a way to fix the 
| > problem (and would punish anyone using a fixed version of Lotus).
| >
| > It certainly makes Ipswitch look good, though; they are 
| very quick to 
| > release patches when security issues come up.  They would 
| never sit on 
| > a DoS attack for 6 months!
| >
| >                                                     -Scott
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| for IMail.  
| > http://www.declude.com
| >
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