> > > I would rather just return a 5XX reject message to someone that is on
> > > SpamCop. Let their mail admin deal with their blacklisted
> > server problems.
> > > Better them than me. I guess that all depends upon your religion
> though,
> > > and
> > > whether you lean more towards Len or Scott's viewpoint of what should
> be
> > > blocked. I see merits in both arguments, but on the most
> > reliable DNSRBLs
> > > I
> > > use, I would much rather block than waste all that processing on
> > > filtering.
> >
> > Halt. Cease. Flag on play.
> >
> > You should never ever take such an action based on a single DNS
> > based black
> > list. Haven't you heard of false positives and incorrect listings? Did
> you
> > know that for about a year, (do not know about recently,) that SpamCop
> was
> > listing Dunn & Bradstreet off and on? Turned out it was people who were
> > having actions taken against that reported LEGIT e-mail to SpamCop as
> spam
> > and got it listed.

> John, we  have discussed this before and apparently we need to yet again.
> 
> Since you are not *EMAIL OVERLOAD* people can apply policies any way they
> see fit.  What you think people should "never do" are in fact great
> policies
> on other networks.  At our offices, blacklists like Spam Cop have yielded
> me

Yes, your point is correct, each one's mileage may vary. However, on a
whole, it is not advisable to take such a strong stance on something that
clearly has a potential for false positives. Many of us using the Declude
JunkMail system have actually decreased the weight of SpamCop over time
because of clear problems that have been found in listings. 

A stance of "If it is listed, I am going to block it outright and let their
admin worry about it!" is not going to sit very well when a CEO or
accountant is waiting for a critical e-mail that is coming from a company
who's e-mail server may get temporarily listed do to an error or
misconfiguration or unwarranted report.

In any case, posting such a hard ball stance on an open forum does more harm
than good to those that may read it who already do not have a good
understanding of the thought process behind such decisions and who say hey,
I am going to do that too and then are left scratching their head a week
later wondering how come I am not getting that e-mail. After all, how does a
reader know where the poster of that stance is coming from, ISP, corporate,
Education or what not. 

John Tolmachoff
Engineer/Consultant/Owner
eServices For You



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