On Thursday 08 March 2018, Ilya Zverev wrote: > It hurts me a bit that instead of clearly and unambigously saying "I > am against this and any other cross-country imports, regardless of > their nature and sources", you are pulling all the obscure Import > Guidelines points to make me do tons of extra community work, like > finding communication channels for ~20 countries and convincing every > single mapper on these, in their local languages. > > This is what people are talking when they write about CoC. [...]
I am not sure if you are aware of the irony here - you criticize me for citing and arguing with codified standards and in the next sentence argue with the need for codified standards to prevent me arguing by citing codified standards... My aim here was to participate in an import review under the import guidelines and as part of this i considered it appropriate to refer to these guidelines and what seems to be missing in this and the previous import you refer to w.r.t. those. If that was not your intention with your mail i apologize for misunderstanding you. If you want to in general discuss the possibility of worldwide imports and use the fuel stations merely as an example that is a different matter and criticizing you for not yet having proper documentation for this was premature. I would however in that case re-affirm my assessment that the local communities affected need to have the opportunity to review and discuss and possibly reject or request changes for the import plan for their respective country and not just collectively world wide. The primacy of the local community is a a very fundamental principle of OSM in my eyes and it is outside the scope of this mailing list to supersede it. One way this could be accomplished efficiently is by recruiting rapporteurs for your plan for the different local communities who manage the local consultation. If the plan is seen with favour in general it should not be too difficult to find such people. You could also consider excluding smaller countries with just a handful of features from the import plan and manually review and add the data there (again possibly with the help of interested local mappers) without an import. And since you seem to make a different assumption - for my own local community in Germany i think this data is probably quite useful - not necessarily for an import (there would likely be very few features to be newly added anyway so it would be more a mechanical edit anyway) but maybe more for checking completeness and finding missing features (in a similar way as we do with address lists to check completeness of addresses). -- Christoph Hormann http://www.imagico.de/ _______________________________________________ Imports mailing list [email protected] https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/imports
