Yes Anurag Ji, perhaps we can skip *T. lanceolarium* and *T. sulcatum*. Since branches are not angled and one or two leaf 3 foliolate it should be *T. muricatum*, not *T. leucostaphylum*. Leaves also match with Flora-Karnataka (JCB) herbarium. However, JCB says branches of *T. leucostaphyllum* is terete and leaves elliptic! Yet, it is closer to *T. muricatum*, I think.
Thank you Regards On Wed, Apr 8, 2015 at 10:46 PM, Anurag Sharma <[email protected]> wrote: > Good evening sir, > > I go with *Tetrastigma muricatum/Tetrastigma leucostaphylum* because the > Gamble description (1 > <http://ia802706.us.archive.org/BookReader/BookReaderImages.php?id=floraofpresidenc01gambrich&itemPath=%2F12%2Fitems%2Ffloraofpresidenc01gambrich&server=ia802706.us.archive.org&page=n311_w294> > and 2 > <http://ia902706.us.archive.org/BookReader/BookReaderImages.php?id=floraofpresidenc01gambrich&itemPath=%2F12%2Fitems%2Ffloraofpresidenc01gambrich&server=ia902706.us.archive.org&page=n312_w294>) > effectively rules out *Tetrastigma lanceolarium* (although the key puts > the species under *not or little tuberculate*). And the other possible > species Tetrastigma sulcatum > <http://florakarnataka.ces.iisc.ernet.in/hjcb2/img/herb/Tetrastigma%20sulcatum/P1010392.JPG> > can be ruled out (if you agree) based on the leaf margin because as you > say, they may not be crenate but rather distantly serrate > <http://florakarnataka.ces.iisc.ernet.in/hjcb2/img/pdf/Tetrastigma%20muricatum/360.pdf.jpg> > . > > Regarding the size of the leaves, I believe I have a very simple answer. > I, very unwittingly, picked out a set of NEW AND SMALL LEAVES! Please see > the attached photo. Although blurry, the *background *shows significantly > larger leaves than the small leaves in the* centre left* of the photo. > > As for the conundrum between *Tetrastigma muricatum/Tetrastigma > leucostaphylum*: > > Character > > *Tetrastigma muricatum* > <http://plantillustrations.org/illustration.php?id_illustration=34915> > > *Tetrastigma leucostaphylum* > <http://plantgenera.org/illustration.php?id_illustration=123031> > > Branches > > Terete, muricate > > Angled, tuberculate/muricate > > Leaves > > Usually 3-foliate, may be pedately 5-foliate (sizes very similar) > > Leaves pedately 5-foliate (sizes very similar) > > Leaflets > > Broadly elliptic > > Oblanceolate > > Inflorescence > > Ferruginous > > Ferruginous > > Fruit > > 1cm across (cannot find no. of seeds) > > 1 cm across, 2-4 seeded > > The place is quite accessible with a guide and is only a few hours away > from Bangalore. I will update with fruits if possible. > In the meanwhile, please let me know what you think. > > Thank you very much. > > On Sat, Apr 4, 2015 at 5:53 PM, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Forwarding again for Id assistance please. >> >> Some earlier relevant feedback: >> Again I fail to reach a conclusive decision. What I notice in your >> attached pics are - >> >> - branch muricated, as in T. muricatum >> >> <http://www.google.com/url?q=http%3A%2F%2Fflorakarnataka.ces.iisc.ernet.in%2Fhjcb2%2Fherbsheet.php%3Fid%3D4508%26cat%3D1&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFQjCNGe4VstBMYFvCU8Xfc87yOC1DU8jw>, >> T. leucostaphylum >> >> <http://florakarnataka.ces.iisc.ernet.in/hjcb2/herbsheet.php?id=4506&cat=1>, >> *T. sulcatum >> >> <http://florakarnataka.ces.iisc.ernet.in/hjcb2/herbsheet.php?id=4507&cat=1>* >> - I am not sure if branches are sulcate >> - flowering season doesn't match with *muricatum*, match with >> *sulcatum*, don't have info on *leucostaphylum* >> - leaves in your pics do not have long petiole, whereas herbaria of >> *sulcatum* and *muricatum* show long petioled leaves >> - I am not sure if these leaves can be called crenate, as in >> *sulcatum* >> - Wight Icones T 740 has not been referred to *sulcatum* >> - Icones T 740 is related with *muricatum* and *leucostaphylum* >> - T 740 has acuminate leaflets, moderately long petiole >> - I think leaves and inflorescence rather match with Icones T 28, but >> branch in that plate is not muricated. T 28 is related to *sulcatum* as >> per FBI >> >> Thank you >> Regards >> surajit >> >> No need to hurry, first of anything is your study, you do need not reply >> any thread right now. I can and will wait until your are done with all your >> other priorities. >> >> I think it's better to to wait for the mature fruits of this plant if >> it's in your vicinity. >> >> You can download Icones from >> http://www.biodiversitylibrary.org/bibliography/92#/summary. Meanwhile >> attached here related plates for your perusal. >> >> Thank you and best wishes for your upcoming exams. >> >> Regards >> >> surajit >> >> Tetrastigma >> <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/m---z/v/vitaceae/tetrastigma> >> species in eFloraofindia (with details/ *keys*from published papers/ >> regional floras/ FRLHT/ FOI/ Biotik/ efloras/ books etc., where ever >> available) >> >> >> >> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >> From: Anurag Sharma <[email protected]> >> Date: 27 March 2015 at 20:52 >> Subject: [efloraofindia:219386] ANMAR55/77 Please identify this plant >> To: [email protected] >> >> >> Family: Vitaceae >> Date: 24th March 2015 >> Place: Mullayanagiri, Chikamagalur, Karnataka >> Habit: Climber >> Habitat: Shola forest >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "efloraofindia" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected]. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> >> >> >> -- >> With regards, >> J.M.Garg >> >> 'Creating awareness of Indian Flora & Fauna' >> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jmgarg1> >> The whole world uses my Image Resource >> <http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:J.M.Garg> of more than a >> thousand species & eight thousand images of Birds, Butterflies, Plants etc. >> (arranged alphabetically & place-wise). 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