Surajit sir, thank you for your tireless efforts. I also agree with *T. sulcatum* in both this thread and the other. <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/indiantreepix/WsS7RH-k8V0/_geQhnWEZhEJ> I looked in a lot of other district flora and find no mention of *Tetrastigma nilagiricum*. So that may be ruled out too!
On Wed, Apr 29, 2015 at 11:33 PM, surajit koley < [email protected]> wrote: > Many thanks to Rawat Sir. > > Anurag Ji, following Flora of India KEY I would like to try one more time. > > We can skip all species after KEY-11b. > We can also skip species no. 8 at KEY-9b > We can also skip species no. 14 at KEY-10a. (we do not have fruits. but > distribution is unlikely?) > > That leaves us with only two species - *T. sulcatum* and *T. nilagiricum*. > > It appears to me it is same species as in your other upload - > https://groups.google.com/d/msg/indiantreepix/WsS7RH-k8V0/_geQhnWEZhEJ > > Thank you > Regards > > > On Fri, Apr 10, 2015 at 11:27 PM, surajit koley < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> Here you have account of *T. leucostaphylum* from Singapore >> <http://lkcnhm.nus.edu.sg/nis/bulletin2012/2012nis263-270.pdf>, Anurag >> Ji. A bit more elaborate >> https://floraofsingapore.wordpress.com/2010/08/07/tetrastigma-leucostaphylum/. >> And also see pictures in >> http://www.natureloveyou.sg/Tetrastigma%20leucostaphylum/Main.html. >> >> Perhaps you can skip *T. l.* too! >> >> Thank you >> Regards >> surajit >> >> >> On Fri, Apr 10, 2015 at 10:36 PM, Anurag Sharma <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> Indeed sir. >>> And also sir, here are those sheets that I referred, one from Coorg >>> flora and the other Hassan flora. >>> >>> On Thu, Apr 9, 2015 at 10:51 PM, surajit koley < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Not only the stem character, Anurag Ji, leaves of *T. leucostaphylum* are >>>> broadly elliptic as per JCB, it goes against your description you keyed in >>>> your table (comparing both *muricatum* and *leucostaphylum*). Fruit >>>> sized also differs in JCB. >>>> >>>> So, it's a very complicated case, as can be seen in discrepancies in >>>> KEY and descriptions across various literature. >>>> >>>> Thank you >>>> Regards >>>> surajit >>>> >>>> >>>> On Thu, Apr 9, 2015 at 8:45 PM, Anurag Sharma <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> That is quite odd sir. Different books report different shapes. >>>>> Thank you sir. >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, Apr 9, 2015 at 12:47 AM, surajit koley < >>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Yes Anurag Ji, perhaps we can skip *T. lanceolarium* and *T. >>>>>> sulcatum*. >>>>>> Since branches are not angled and one or two leaf 3 foliolate it >>>>>> should be *T. muricatum*, not *T. leucostaphylum*. Leaves also match >>>>>> with Flora-Karnataka (JCB) herbarium. However, JCB says branches of *T. >>>>>> leucostaphyllum* is terete and leaves elliptic! Yet, it is closer to *T. >>>>>> muricatum*, I think. >>>>>> >>>>>> Thank you >>>>>> Regards >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Wed, Apr 8, 2015 at 10:46 PM, Anurag Sharma < >>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Good evening sir, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I go with *Tetrastigma muricatum/Tetrastigma leucostaphylum* >>>>>>> because the Gamble description (1 >>>>>>> <http://ia802706.us.archive.org/BookReader/BookReaderImages.php?id=floraofpresidenc01gambrich&itemPath=%2F12%2Fitems%2Ffloraofpresidenc01gambrich&server=ia802706.us.archive.org&page=n311_w294> >>>>>>> and 2 >>>>>>> <http://ia902706.us.archive.org/BookReader/BookReaderImages.php?id=floraofpresidenc01gambrich&itemPath=%2F12%2Fitems%2Ffloraofpresidenc01gambrich&server=ia902706.us.archive.org&page=n312_w294>) >>>>>>> effectively rules out *Tetrastigma lanceolarium* (although the key >>>>>>> puts the species under *not or little tuberculate*). And the other >>>>>>> possible species Tetrastigma sulcatum >>>>>>> <http://florakarnataka.ces.iisc.ernet.in/hjcb2/img/herb/Tetrastigma%20sulcatum/P1010392.JPG> >>>>>>> can be ruled out (if you agree) based on the leaf margin because as you >>>>>>> say, they may not be crenate but rather distantly serrate >>>>>>> <http://florakarnataka.ces.iisc.ernet.in/hjcb2/img/pdf/Tetrastigma%20muricatum/360.pdf.jpg> >>>>>>> . >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Regarding the size of the leaves, I believe I have a very simple >>>>>>> answer. I, very unwittingly, picked out a set of NEW AND SMALL LEAVES! >>>>>>> Please see the attached photo. Although blurry, the *background *shows >>>>>>> significantly larger leaves than the small leaves in the* centre >>>>>>> left* of the photo. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> As for the conundrum between *Tetrastigma muricatum/Tetrastigma >>>>>>> leucostaphylum*: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Character >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *Tetrastigma muricatum* >>>>>>> <http://plantillustrations.org/illustration.php?id_illustration=34915> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *Tetrastigma leucostaphylum* >>>>>>> <http://plantgenera.org/illustration.php?id_illustration=123031> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Branches >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Terete, muricate >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Angled, tuberculate/muricate >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Leaves >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Usually 3-foliate, may be pedately 5-foliate (sizes very similar) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Leaves pedately 5-foliate (sizes very similar) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Leaflets >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Broadly elliptic >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Oblanceolate >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Inflorescence >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Ferruginous >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Ferruginous >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Fruit >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 1cm across (cannot find no. of seeds) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 1 cm across, 2-4 seeded >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The place is quite accessible with a guide and is only a few hours >>>>>>> away from Bangalore. I will update with fruits if possible. >>>>>>> In the meanwhile, please let me know what you think. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thank you very much. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Sat, Apr 4, 2015 at 5:53 PM, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Forwarding again for Id assistance please. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Some earlier relevant feedback: >>>>>>>> Again I fail to reach a conclusive decision. What I notice >>>>>>>> in your attached pics are - >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> - branch muricated, as in T. muricatum >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> <http://www.google.com/url?q=http%3A%2F%2Fflorakarnataka.ces.iisc.ernet.in%2Fhjcb2%2Fherbsheet.php%3Fid%3D4508%26cat%3D1&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFQjCNGe4VstBMYFvCU8Xfc87yOC1DU8jw>, >>>>>>>> T. leucostaphylum >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> <http://florakarnataka.ces.iisc.ernet.in/hjcb2/herbsheet.php?id=4506&cat=1>, >>>>>>>> *T. sulcatum >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> <http://florakarnataka.ces.iisc.ernet.in/hjcb2/herbsheet.php?id=4507&cat=1>* >>>>>>>> - I am not sure if branches are sulcate >>>>>>>> - flowering season doesn't match with *muricatum*, match with >>>>>>>> *sulcatum*, don't have info on *leucostaphylum* >>>>>>>> - leaves in your pics do not have long petiole, whereas >>>>>>>> herbaria of *sulcatum* and *muricatum* show long petioled leaves >>>>>>>> - I am not sure if these leaves can be called crenate, as in >>>>>>>> *sulcatum* >>>>>>>> - Wight Icones T 740 has not been referred to *sulcatum* >>>>>>>> - Icones T 740 is related with *muricatum* and *leucostaphylum* >>>>>>>> - T 740 has acuminate leaflets, moderately long petiole >>>>>>>> - I think leaves and inflorescence rather match with Icones T >>>>>>>> 28, but branch in that plate is not muricated. T 28 is related to >>>>>>>> *sulcatum* as per FBI >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thank you >>>>>>>> Regards >>>>>>>> surajit >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> No need to hurry, first of anything is your study, you do need not >>>>>>>> reply any thread right now. I can and will wait until your are done >>>>>>>> with >>>>>>>> all your other priorities. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I think it's better to to wait for the mature fruits of this plant >>>>>>>> if it's in your vicinity. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> You can download Icones from >>>>>>>> http://www.biodiversitylibrary.org/bibliography/92#/summary. >>>>>>>> Meanwhile attached here related plates for your perusal. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thank you and best wishes for your upcoming exams. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Regards >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> surajit >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Tetrastigma >>>>>>>> <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/m---z/v/vitaceae/tetrastigma> >>>>>>>> species in eFloraofindia (with details/ *keys*from published >>>>>>>> papers/ regional floras/ FRLHT/ FOI/ Biotik/ efloras/ books etc., where >>>>>>>> ever available) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >>>>>>>> From: Anurag Sharma <[email protected]> >>>>>>>> Date: 27 March 2015 at 20:52 >>>>>>>> Subject: [efloraofindia:219386] ANMAR55/77 Please identify this >>>>>>>> plant >>>>>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Family: Vitaceae >>>>>>>> Date: 24th March 2015 >>>>>>>> Place: Mullayanagiri, Chikamagalur, Karnataka >>>>>>>> Habit: Climber >>>>>>>> Habitat: Shola forest >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>>> Groups "efloraofindia" group. >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>>>> send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected] >>>>>>>> . >>>>>>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix. >>>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> With regards, >>>>>>>> J.M.Garg >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 'Creating awareness of Indian Flora & Fauna' >>>>>>>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jmgarg1> >>>>>>>> The whole world uses my Image Resource >>>>>>>> <http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:J.M.Garg> of more than >>>>>>>> a thousand species & eight thousand images of Birds, Butterflies, >>>>>>>> Plants >>>>>>>> etc. (arranged alphabetically & place-wise). 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