That is quite odd sir. Different books report different shapes. Thank you sir.
On Thu, Apr 9, 2015 at 12:47 AM, surajit koley < [email protected]> wrote: > Yes Anurag Ji, perhaps we can skip *T. lanceolarium* and *T. sulcatum*. > Since branches are not angled and one or two leaf 3 foliolate it should be *T. > muricatum*, not *T. leucostaphylum*. Leaves also match with > Flora-Karnataka (JCB) herbarium. However, JCB says branches of *T. > leucostaphyllum* is terete and leaves elliptic! Yet, it is closer to *T. > muricatum*, I think. > > Thank you > Regards > > > On Wed, Apr 8, 2015 at 10:46 PM, Anurag Sharma <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> Good evening sir, >> >> I go with *Tetrastigma muricatum/Tetrastigma leucostaphylum* because the >> Gamble description (1 >> <http://ia802706.us.archive.org/BookReader/BookReaderImages.php?id=floraofpresidenc01gambrich&itemPath=%2F12%2Fitems%2Ffloraofpresidenc01gambrich&server=ia802706.us.archive.org&page=n311_w294> >> and 2 >> <http://ia902706.us.archive.org/BookReader/BookReaderImages.php?id=floraofpresidenc01gambrich&itemPath=%2F12%2Fitems%2Ffloraofpresidenc01gambrich&server=ia902706.us.archive.org&page=n312_w294>) >> effectively rules out *Tetrastigma lanceolarium* (although the key puts >> the species under *not or little tuberculate*). And the other possible >> species Tetrastigma sulcatum >> <http://florakarnataka.ces.iisc.ernet.in/hjcb2/img/herb/Tetrastigma%20sulcatum/P1010392.JPG> >> can be ruled out (if you agree) based on the leaf margin because as you >> say, they may not be crenate but rather distantly serrate >> <http://florakarnataka.ces.iisc.ernet.in/hjcb2/img/pdf/Tetrastigma%20muricatum/360.pdf.jpg> >> . >> >> Regarding the size of the leaves, I believe I have a very simple answer. >> I, very unwittingly, picked out a set of NEW AND SMALL LEAVES! Please see >> the attached photo. Although blurry, the *background *shows >> significantly larger leaves than the small leaves in the* centre left* >> of the photo. >> >> As for the conundrum between *Tetrastigma muricatum/Tetrastigma >> leucostaphylum*: >> >> Character >> >> *Tetrastigma muricatum* >> <http://plantillustrations.org/illustration.php?id_illustration=34915> >> >> *Tetrastigma leucostaphylum* >> <http://plantgenera.org/illustration.php?id_illustration=123031> >> >> Branches >> >> Terete, muricate >> >> Angled, tuberculate/muricate >> >> Leaves >> >> Usually 3-foliate, may be pedately 5-foliate (sizes very similar) >> >> Leaves pedately 5-foliate (sizes very similar) >> >> Leaflets >> >> Broadly elliptic >> >> Oblanceolate >> >> Inflorescence >> >> Ferruginous >> >> Ferruginous >> >> Fruit >> >> 1cm across (cannot find no. of seeds) >> >> 1 cm across, 2-4 seeded >> >> The place is quite accessible with a guide and is only a few hours away >> from Bangalore. I will update with fruits if possible. >> In the meanwhile, please let me know what you think. >> >> Thank you very much. >> >> On Sat, Apr 4, 2015 at 5:53 PM, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Forwarding again for Id assistance please. >>> >>> Some earlier relevant feedback: >>> Again I fail to reach a conclusive decision. What I notice in >>> your attached pics are - >>> >>> - branch muricated, as in T. muricatum >>> >>> <http://www.google.com/url?q=http%3A%2F%2Fflorakarnataka.ces.iisc.ernet.in%2Fhjcb2%2Fherbsheet.php%3Fid%3D4508%26cat%3D1&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFQjCNGe4VstBMYFvCU8Xfc87yOC1DU8jw>, >>> T. leucostaphylum >>> >>> <http://florakarnataka.ces.iisc.ernet.in/hjcb2/herbsheet.php?id=4506&cat=1>, >>> *T. sulcatum >>> >>> <http://florakarnataka.ces.iisc.ernet.in/hjcb2/herbsheet.php?id=4507&cat=1>* >>> - I am not sure if branches are sulcate >>> - flowering season doesn't match with *muricatum*, match with >>> *sulcatum*, don't have info on *leucostaphylum* >>> - leaves in your pics do not have long petiole, whereas herbaria of >>> *sulcatum* and *muricatum* show long petioled leaves >>> - I am not sure if these leaves can be called crenate, as in >>> *sulcatum* >>> - Wight Icones T 740 has not been referred to *sulcatum* >>> - Icones T 740 is related with *muricatum* and *leucostaphylum* >>> - T 740 has acuminate leaflets, moderately long petiole >>> - I think leaves and inflorescence rather match with Icones T 28, >>> but branch in that plate is not muricated. T 28 is related to >>> *sulcatum* as per FBI >>> >>> Thank you >>> Regards >>> surajit >>> >>> No need to hurry, first of anything is your study, you do need not reply >>> any thread right now. I can and will wait until your are done with all your >>> other priorities. >>> >>> I think it's better to to wait for the mature fruits of this plant if >>> it's in your vicinity. >>> >>> You can download Icones from >>> http://www.biodiversitylibrary.org/bibliography/92#/summary. Meanwhile >>> attached here related plates for your perusal. >>> >>> Thank you and best wishes for your upcoming exams. >>> >>> Regards >>> >>> surajit >>> >>> Tetrastigma >>> <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/m---z/v/vitaceae/tetrastigma> >>> species in eFloraofindia (with details/ *keys*from published papers/ >>> regional floras/ FRLHT/ FOI/ Biotik/ efloras/ books etc., where ever >>> available) >>> >>> >>> >>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >>> From: Anurag Sharma <[email protected]> >>> Date: 27 March 2015 at 20:52 >>> Subject: [efloraofindia:219386] ANMAR55/77 Please identify this plant >>> To: [email protected] >>> >>> >>> Family: Vitaceae >>> Date: 24th March 2015 >>> Place: Mullayanagiri, Chikamagalur, Karnataka >>> Habit: Climber >>> Habitat: Shola forest >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "efloraofindia" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to [email protected]. >>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> With regards, >>> J.M.Garg >>> >>> 'Creating awareness of Indian Flora & Fauna' >>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jmgarg1> >>> The whole world uses my Image Resource >>> <http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:J.M.Garg> of more than a >>> thousand species & eight thousand images of Birds, Butterflies, Plants etc. >>> (arranged alphabetically & place-wise). 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