Many thanks to Rawat Sir. Anurag Ji, following Flora of India KEY I would like to try one more time.
We can skip all species after KEY-11b. We can also skip species no. 8 at KEY-9b We can also skip species no. 14 at KEY-10a. (we do not have fruits. but distribution is unlikely?) That leaves us with only two species - *T. sulcatum* and *T. nilagiricum*. It appears to me it is same species as in your other upload - https://groups.google.com/d/msg/indiantreepix/WsS7RH-k8V0/_geQhnWEZhEJ Thank you Regards On Fri, Apr 10, 2015 at 11:27 PM, surajit koley < [email protected]> wrote: > Here you have account of *T. leucostaphylum* from Singapore > <http://lkcnhm.nus.edu.sg/nis/bulletin2012/2012nis263-270.pdf>, Anurag > Ji. A bit more elaborate > https://floraofsingapore.wordpress.com/2010/08/07/tetrastigma-leucostaphylum/. > And also see pictures in > http://www.natureloveyou.sg/Tetrastigma%20leucostaphylum/Main.html. > > Perhaps you can skip *T. l.* too! > > Thank you > Regards > surajit > > > On Fri, Apr 10, 2015 at 10:36 PM, Anurag Sharma <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> Indeed sir. >> And also sir, here are those sheets that I referred, one from Coorg flora >> and the other Hassan flora. >> >> On Thu, Apr 9, 2015 at 10:51 PM, surajit koley < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Not only the stem character, Anurag Ji, leaves of *T. leucostaphylum* are >>> broadly elliptic as per JCB, it goes against your description you keyed in >>> your table (comparing both *muricatum* and *leucostaphylum*). Fruit >>> sized also differs in JCB. >>> >>> So, it's a very complicated case, as can be seen in discrepancies in KEY >>> and descriptions across various literature. >>> >>> Thank you >>> Regards >>> surajit >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Apr 9, 2015 at 8:45 PM, Anurag Sharma <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> That is quite odd sir. Different books report different shapes. >>>> Thank you sir. >>>> >>>> On Thu, Apr 9, 2015 at 12:47 AM, surajit koley < >>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Yes Anurag Ji, perhaps we can skip *T. lanceolarium* and *T. sulcatum* >>>>> . >>>>> Since branches are not angled and one or two leaf 3 foliolate it >>>>> should be *T. muricatum*, not *T. leucostaphylum*. Leaves also match >>>>> with Flora-Karnataka (JCB) herbarium. However, JCB says branches of *T. >>>>> leucostaphyllum* is terete and leaves elliptic! Yet, it is closer to *T. >>>>> muricatum*, I think. >>>>> >>>>> Thank you >>>>> Regards >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, Apr 8, 2015 at 10:46 PM, Anurag Sharma <[email protected] >>>>> > wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Good evening sir, >>>>>> >>>>>> I go with *Tetrastigma muricatum/Tetrastigma leucostaphylum* because >>>>>> the Gamble description (1 >>>>>> <http://ia802706.us.archive.org/BookReader/BookReaderImages.php?id=floraofpresidenc01gambrich&itemPath=%2F12%2Fitems%2Ffloraofpresidenc01gambrich&server=ia802706.us.archive.org&page=n311_w294> >>>>>> and 2 >>>>>> <http://ia902706.us.archive.org/BookReader/BookReaderImages.php?id=floraofpresidenc01gambrich&itemPath=%2F12%2Fitems%2Ffloraofpresidenc01gambrich&server=ia902706.us.archive.org&page=n312_w294>) >>>>>> effectively rules out *Tetrastigma lanceolarium* (although the key >>>>>> puts the species under *not or little tuberculate*). And the other >>>>>> possible species Tetrastigma sulcatum >>>>>> <http://florakarnataka.ces.iisc.ernet.in/hjcb2/img/herb/Tetrastigma%20sulcatum/P1010392.JPG> >>>>>> can be ruled out (if you agree) based on the leaf margin because as you >>>>>> say, they may not be crenate but rather distantly serrate >>>>>> <http://florakarnataka.ces.iisc.ernet.in/hjcb2/img/pdf/Tetrastigma%20muricatum/360.pdf.jpg> >>>>>> . >>>>>> >>>>>> Regarding the size of the leaves, I believe I have a very simple >>>>>> answer. I, very unwittingly, picked out a set of NEW AND SMALL LEAVES! >>>>>> Please see the attached photo. Although blurry, the *background *shows >>>>>> significantly larger leaves than the small leaves in the* centre >>>>>> left* of the photo. >>>>>> >>>>>> As for the conundrum between *Tetrastigma muricatum/Tetrastigma >>>>>> leucostaphylum*: >>>>>> >>>>>> Character >>>>>> >>>>>> *Tetrastigma muricatum* >>>>>> <http://plantillustrations.org/illustration.php?id_illustration=34915> >>>>>> >>>>>> *Tetrastigma leucostaphylum* >>>>>> <http://plantgenera.org/illustration.php?id_illustration=123031> >>>>>> >>>>>> Branches >>>>>> >>>>>> Terete, muricate >>>>>> >>>>>> Angled, tuberculate/muricate >>>>>> >>>>>> Leaves >>>>>> >>>>>> Usually 3-foliate, may be pedately 5-foliate (sizes very similar) >>>>>> >>>>>> Leaves pedately 5-foliate (sizes very similar) >>>>>> >>>>>> Leaflets >>>>>> >>>>>> Broadly elliptic >>>>>> >>>>>> Oblanceolate >>>>>> >>>>>> Inflorescence >>>>>> >>>>>> Ferruginous >>>>>> >>>>>> Ferruginous >>>>>> >>>>>> Fruit >>>>>> >>>>>> 1cm across (cannot find no. of seeds) >>>>>> >>>>>> 1 cm across, 2-4 seeded >>>>>> >>>>>> The place is quite accessible with a guide and is only a few hours >>>>>> away from Bangalore. I will update with fruits if possible. >>>>>> In the meanwhile, please let me know what you think. >>>>>> >>>>>> Thank you very much. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sat, Apr 4, 2015 at 5:53 PM, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Forwarding again for Id assistance please. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Some earlier relevant feedback: >>>>>>> Again I fail to reach a conclusive decision. What I notice in >>>>>>> your attached pics are - >>>>>>> >>>>>>> - branch muricated, as in T. muricatum >>>>>>> >>>>>>> <http://www.google.com/url?q=http%3A%2F%2Fflorakarnataka.ces.iisc.ernet.in%2Fhjcb2%2Fherbsheet.php%3Fid%3D4508%26cat%3D1&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFQjCNGe4VstBMYFvCU8Xfc87yOC1DU8jw>, >>>>>>> T. leucostaphylum >>>>>>> >>>>>>> <http://florakarnataka.ces.iisc.ernet.in/hjcb2/herbsheet.php?id=4506&cat=1>, >>>>>>> *T. sulcatum >>>>>>> >>>>>>> <http://florakarnataka.ces.iisc.ernet.in/hjcb2/herbsheet.php?id=4507&cat=1>* >>>>>>> - I am not sure if branches are sulcate >>>>>>> - flowering season doesn't match with *muricatum*, match with >>>>>>> *sulcatum*, don't have info on *leucostaphylum* >>>>>>> - leaves in your pics do not have long petiole, whereas herbaria >>>>>>> of *sulcatum* and *muricatum* show long petioled leaves >>>>>>> - I am not sure if these leaves can be called crenate, as in >>>>>>> *sulcatum* >>>>>>> - Wight Icones T 740 has not been referred to *sulcatum* >>>>>>> - Icones T 740 is related with *muricatum* and *leucostaphylum* >>>>>>> - T 740 has acuminate leaflets, moderately long petiole >>>>>>> - I think leaves and inflorescence rather match with Icones T >>>>>>> 28, but branch in that plate is not muricated. T 28 is related to >>>>>>> *sulcatum* as per FBI >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thank you >>>>>>> Regards >>>>>>> surajit >>>>>>> >>>>>>> No need to hurry, first of anything is your study, you do need not >>>>>>> reply any thread right now. I can and will wait until your are done with >>>>>>> all your other priorities. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I think it's better to to wait for the mature fruits of this plant >>>>>>> if it's in your vicinity. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> You can download Icones from >>>>>>> http://www.biodiversitylibrary.org/bibliography/92#/summary. >>>>>>> Meanwhile attached here related plates for your perusal. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thank you and best wishes for your upcoming exams. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Regards >>>>>>> >>>>>>> surajit >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Tetrastigma >>>>>>> <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/m---z/v/vitaceae/tetrastigma> >>>>>>> species in eFloraofindia (with details/ *keys*from published >>>>>>> papers/ regional floras/ FRLHT/ FOI/ Biotik/ efloras/ books etc., where >>>>>>> ever available) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >>>>>>> From: Anurag Sharma <[email protected]> >>>>>>> Date: 27 March 2015 at 20:52 >>>>>>> Subject: [efloraofindia:219386] ANMAR55/77 Please identify this plant >>>>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Family: Vitaceae >>>>>>> Date: 24th March 2015 >>>>>>> Place: Mullayanagiri, Chikamagalur, Karnataka >>>>>>> Habit: Climber >>>>>>> Habitat: Shola forest >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>> Groups "efloraofindia" group. >>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>>> send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>>>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix. >>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> With regards, >>>>>>> J.M.Garg >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 'Creating awareness of Indian Flora & Fauna' >>>>>>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jmgarg1> >>>>>>> The whole world uses my Image Resource >>>>>>> <http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:J.M.Garg> of more than >>>>>>> a thousand species & eight thousand images of Birds, Butterflies, Plants >>>>>>> etc. (arranged alphabetically & place-wise). 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