Not only the stem character, Anurag Ji, leaves of *T. leucostaphylum* are broadly elliptic as per JCB, it goes against your description you keyed in your table (comparing both *muricatum* and *leucostaphylum*). Fruit sized also differs in JCB.
So, it's a very complicated case, as can be seen in discrepancies in KEY and descriptions across various literature. Thank you Regards surajit On Thu, Apr 9, 2015 at 8:45 PM, Anurag Sharma <[email protected]> wrote: > That is quite odd sir. Different books report different shapes. > Thank you sir. > > On Thu, Apr 9, 2015 at 12:47 AM, surajit koley < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> Yes Anurag Ji, perhaps we can skip *T. lanceolarium* and *T. sulcatum*. >> Since branches are not angled and one or two leaf 3 foliolate it should >> be *T. muricatum*, not *T. leucostaphylum*. Leaves also match with >> Flora-Karnataka (JCB) herbarium. However, JCB says branches of *T. >> leucostaphyllum* is terete and leaves elliptic! Yet, it is closer to *T. >> muricatum*, I think. >> >> Thank you >> Regards >> >> >> On Wed, Apr 8, 2015 at 10:46 PM, Anurag Sharma <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> Good evening sir, >>> >>> I go with *Tetrastigma muricatum/Tetrastigma leucostaphylum* because >>> the Gamble description (1 >>> <http://ia802706.us.archive.org/BookReader/BookReaderImages.php?id=floraofpresidenc01gambrich&itemPath=%2F12%2Fitems%2Ffloraofpresidenc01gambrich&server=ia802706.us.archive.org&page=n311_w294> >>> and 2 >>> <http://ia902706.us.archive.org/BookReader/BookReaderImages.php?id=floraofpresidenc01gambrich&itemPath=%2F12%2Fitems%2Ffloraofpresidenc01gambrich&server=ia902706.us.archive.org&page=n312_w294>) >>> effectively rules out *Tetrastigma lanceolarium* (although the key puts >>> the species under *not or little tuberculate*). And the other possible >>> species Tetrastigma sulcatum >>> <http://florakarnataka.ces.iisc.ernet.in/hjcb2/img/herb/Tetrastigma%20sulcatum/P1010392.JPG> >>> can be ruled out (if you agree) based on the leaf margin because as you >>> say, they may not be crenate but rather distantly serrate >>> <http://florakarnataka.ces.iisc.ernet.in/hjcb2/img/pdf/Tetrastigma%20muricatum/360.pdf.jpg> >>> . >>> >>> Regarding the size of the leaves, I believe I have a very simple answer. >>> I, very unwittingly, picked out a set of NEW AND SMALL LEAVES! Please see >>> the attached photo. Although blurry, the *background *shows >>> significantly larger leaves than the small leaves in the* centre left* >>> of the photo. >>> >>> As for the conundrum between *Tetrastigma muricatum/Tetrastigma >>> leucostaphylum*: >>> >>> Character >>> >>> *Tetrastigma muricatum* >>> <http://plantillustrations.org/illustration.php?id_illustration=34915> >>> >>> *Tetrastigma leucostaphylum* >>> <http://plantgenera.org/illustration.php?id_illustration=123031> >>> >>> Branches >>> >>> Terete, muricate >>> >>> Angled, tuberculate/muricate >>> >>> Leaves >>> >>> Usually 3-foliate, may be pedately 5-foliate (sizes very similar) >>> >>> Leaves pedately 5-foliate (sizes very similar) >>> >>> Leaflets >>> >>> Broadly elliptic >>> >>> Oblanceolate >>> >>> Inflorescence >>> >>> Ferruginous >>> >>> Ferruginous >>> >>> Fruit >>> >>> 1cm across (cannot find no. of seeds) >>> >>> 1 cm across, 2-4 seeded >>> >>> The place is quite accessible with a guide and is only a few hours away >>> from Bangalore. I will update with fruits if possible. >>> In the meanwhile, please let me know what you think. >>> >>> Thank you very much. >>> >>> On Sat, Apr 4, 2015 at 5:53 PM, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Forwarding again for Id assistance please. >>>> >>>> Some earlier relevant feedback: >>>> Again I fail to reach a conclusive decision. What I notice in >>>> your attached pics are - >>>> >>>> - branch muricated, as in T. muricatum >>>> >>>> <http://www.google.com/url?q=http%3A%2F%2Fflorakarnataka.ces.iisc.ernet.in%2Fhjcb2%2Fherbsheet.php%3Fid%3D4508%26cat%3D1&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFQjCNGe4VstBMYFvCU8Xfc87yOC1DU8jw>, >>>> T. leucostaphylum >>>> >>>> <http://florakarnataka.ces.iisc.ernet.in/hjcb2/herbsheet.php?id=4506&cat=1>, >>>> *T. sulcatum >>>> >>>> <http://florakarnataka.ces.iisc.ernet.in/hjcb2/herbsheet.php?id=4507&cat=1>* >>>> - I am not sure if branches are sulcate >>>> - flowering season doesn't match with *muricatum*, match with >>>> *sulcatum*, don't have info on *leucostaphylum* >>>> - leaves in your pics do not have long petiole, whereas herbaria of >>>> *sulcatum* and *muricatum* show long petioled leaves >>>> - I am not sure if these leaves can be called crenate, as in >>>> *sulcatum* >>>> - Wight Icones T 740 has not been referred to *sulcatum* >>>> - Icones T 740 is related with *muricatum* and *leucostaphylum* >>>> - T 740 has acuminate leaflets, moderately long petiole >>>> - I think leaves and inflorescence rather match with Icones T 28, >>>> but branch in that plate is not muricated. T 28 is related to >>>> *sulcatum* as per FBI >>>> >>>> Thank you >>>> Regards >>>> surajit >>>> >>>> No need to hurry, first of anything is your study, you do need not >>>> reply any thread right now. I can and will wait until your are done with >>>> all your other priorities. >>>> >>>> I think it's better to to wait for the mature fruits of this plant if >>>> it's in your vicinity. >>>> >>>> You can download Icones from >>>> http://www.biodiversitylibrary.org/bibliography/92#/summary. Meanwhile >>>> attached here related plates for your perusal. >>>> >>>> Thank you and best wishes for your upcoming exams. >>>> >>>> Regards >>>> >>>> surajit >>>> >>>> Tetrastigma >>>> <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/m---z/v/vitaceae/tetrastigma> >>>> species in eFloraofindia (with details/ *keys*from published papers/ >>>> regional floras/ FRLHT/ FOI/ Biotik/ efloras/ books etc., where ever >>>> available) >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >>>> From: Anurag Sharma <[email protected]> >>>> Date: 27 March 2015 at 20:52 >>>> Subject: [efloraofindia:219386] ANMAR55/77 Please identify this plant >>>> To: [email protected] >>>> >>>> >>>> Family: Vitaceae >>>> Date: 24th March 2015 >>>> Place: Mullayanagiri, Chikamagalur, Karnataka >>>> Habit: Climber >>>> Habitat: Shola forest >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "efloraofindia" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>> an email to [email protected]. >>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix. >>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> With regards, >>>> J.M.Garg >>>> >>>> 'Creating awareness of Indian Flora & Fauna' >>>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jmgarg1> >>>> The whole world uses my Image Resource >>>> <http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:J.M.Garg> of more than a >>>> thousand species & eight thousand images of Birds, Butterflies, Plants etc. >>>> (arranged alphabetically & place-wise). You can also use them for free as >>>> per Creative Commons license attached with each image. >>>> >>>> For identification, learning, discussion & documentation of Indian >>>> Flora, please visit/ join our Efloraofindia Google e-group >>>> <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/indiantreepix> (largest in >>>> the world- more than 2400 members & 2,00,000 messages on 9.9.14) or >>>> Efloraofindia >>>> website <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/> (with a species >>>> database of more than 10,000 species & 2,00,000 images). Winner of >>>> Wipro-NFS Sparrow Awards 2014 for efloraofindia >>>> <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/award-for-efloraofindia>. >>>> >>>> Also author of 'A Photoguide to the Birds of Kolkata & Common Birds of >>>> India'. >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Anurag N. Sharma >>> BSc. (CBZ) 2nd Year >>> St. Josephs College >>> Bangalore >>> >> >> > > > -- > Anurag N. Sharma > BSc. (CBZ) 2nd Year > St. Josephs College > Bangalore > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "efloraofindia" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send an email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
