The KEW herb of *T. nilagiricum* links - 1. http://apps.kew.org/herbcat/getImage.do?imageBarcode=K000701414 2. http://apps.kew.org/herbcat/getImage.do?imageBarcode=K000701415
Thank you Regards On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 7:20 PM, Anurag Sharma <[email protected]> wrote: > Surajit sir, thank you for your tireless efforts. I also agree with *T. > sulcatum* in both this thread and the other. > <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/indiantreepix/WsS7RH-k8V0/_geQhnWEZhEJ> > I looked in a lot of other district flora and find no mention of *Tetrastigma > nilagiricum*. So that may be ruled out too! > > On Wed, Apr 29, 2015 at 11:33 PM, surajit koley < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> Many thanks to Rawat Sir. >> >> Anurag Ji, following Flora of India KEY I would like to try one more time. >> >> We can skip all species after KEY-11b. >> We can also skip species no. 8 at KEY-9b >> We can also skip species no. 14 at KEY-10a. (we do not have fruits. but >> distribution is unlikely?) >> >> That leaves us with only two species - *T. sulcatum* and *T. nilagiricum* >> . >> >> It appears to me it is same species as in your other upload - >> https://groups.google.com/d/msg/indiantreepix/WsS7RH-k8V0/_geQhnWEZhEJ >> >> Thank you >> Regards >> >> >> On Fri, Apr 10, 2015 at 11:27 PM, surajit koley < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Here you have account of *T. leucostaphylum* from Singapore >>> <http://lkcnhm.nus.edu.sg/nis/bulletin2012/2012nis263-270.pdf>, Anurag >>> Ji. A bit more elaborate >>> https://floraofsingapore.wordpress.com/2010/08/07/tetrastigma-leucostaphylum/. >>> And also see pictures in >>> http://www.natureloveyou.sg/Tetrastigma%20leucostaphylum/Main.html. >>> >>> Perhaps you can skip *T. l.* too! >>> >>> Thank you >>> Regards >>> surajit >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Apr 10, 2015 at 10:36 PM, Anurag Sharma <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Indeed sir. >>>> And also sir, here are those sheets that I referred, one from Coorg >>>> flora and the other Hassan flora. >>>> >>>> On Thu, Apr 9, 2015 at 10:51 PM, surajit koley < >>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Not only the stem character, Anurag Ji, leaves of *T. leucostaphylum* are >>>>> broadly elliptic as per JCB, it goes against your description you keyed in >>>>> your table (comparing both *muricatum* and *leucostaphylum*). Fruit >>>>> sized also differs in JCB. >>>>> >>>>> So, it's a very complicated case, as can be seen in discrepancies in >>>>> KEY and descriptions across various literature. >>>>> >>>>> Thank you >>>>> Regards >>>>> surajit >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, Apr 9, 2015 at 8:45 PM, Anurag Sharma <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> That is quite odd sir. Different books report different shapes. >>>>>> Thank you sir. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Thu, Apr 9, 2015 at 12:47 AM, surajit koley < >>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Yes Anurag Ji, perhaps we can skip *T. lanceolarium* and *T. >>>>>>> sulcatum*. >>>>>>> Since branches are not angled and one or two leaf 3 foliolate it >>>>>>> should be *T. muricatum*, not *T. leucostaphylum*. Leaves also >>>>>>> match with Flora-Karnataka (JCB) herbarium. However, JCB says branches >>>>>>> of *T. >>>>>>> leucostaphyllum* is terete and leaves elliptic! Yet, it is closer >>>>>>> to *T. muricatum*, I think. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thank you >>>>>>> Regards >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Wed, Apr 8, 2015 at 10:46 PM, Anurag Sharma < >>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Good evening sir, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I go with *Tetrastigma muricatum/Tetrastigma leucostaphylum* >>>>>>>> because the Gamble description (1 >>>>>>>> <http://ia802706.us.archive.org/BookReader/BookReaderImages.php?id=floraofpresidenc01gambrich&itemPath=%2F12%2Fitems%2Ffloraofpresidenc01gambrich&server=ia802706.us.archive.org&page=n311_w294> >>>>>>>> and 2 >>>>>>>> <http://ia902706.us.archive.org/BookReader/BookReaderImages.php?id=floraofpresidenc01gambrich&itemPath=%2F12%2Fitems%2Ffloraofpresidenc01gambrich&server=ia902706.us.archive.org&page=n312_w294>) >>>>>>>> effectively rules out *Tetrastigma lanceolarium* (although the key >>>>>>>> puts the species under *not or little tuberculate*). And the other >>>>>>>> possible species Tetrastigma sulcatum >>>>>>>> <http://florakarnataka.ces.iisc.ernet.in/hjcb2/img/herb/Tetrastigma%20sulcatum/P1010392.JPG> >>>>>>>> can be ruled out (if you agree) based on the leaf margin because as you >>>>>>>> say, they may not be crenate but rather distantly serrate >>>>>>>> <http://florakarnataka.ces.iisc.ernet.in/hjcb2/img/pdf/Tetrastigma%20muricatum/360.pdf.jpg> >>>>>>>> . >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Regarding the size of the leaves, I believe I have a very simple >>>>>>>> answer. I, very unwittingly, picked out a set of NEW AND SMALL LEAVES! >>>>>>>> Please see the attached photo. Although blurry, the *background *shows >>>>>>>> significantly larger leaves than the small leaves in the* centre >>>>>>>> left* of the photo. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> As for the conundrum between *Tetrastigma muricatum/Tetrastigma >>>>>>>> leucostaphylum*: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Character >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> *Tetrastigma muricatum* >>>>>>>> <http://plantillustrations.org/illustration.php?id_illustration=34915> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> *Tetrastigma leucostaphylum* >>>>>>>> <http://plantgenera.org/illustration.php?id_illustration=123031> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Branches >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Terete, muricate >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Angled, tuberculate/muricate >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Leaves >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Usually 3-foliate, may be pedately 5-foliate (sizes very similar) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Leaves pedately 5-foliate (sizes very similar) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Leaflets >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Broadly elliptic >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Oblanceolate >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Inflorescence >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Ferruginous >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Ferruginous >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Fruit >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 1cm across (cannot find no. of seeds) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 1 cm across, 2-4 seeded >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The place is quite accessible with a guide and is only a few hours >>>>>>>> away from Bangalore. I will update with fruits if possible. >>>>>>>> In the meanwhile, please let me know what you think. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thank you very much. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Sat, Apr 4, 2015 at 5:53 PM, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Forwarding again for Id assistance please. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Some earlier relevant feedback: >>>>>>>>> Again I fail to reach a conclusive decision. What I notice >>>>>>>>> in your attached pics are - >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> - branch muricated, as in T. muricatum >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> <http://www.google.com/url?q=http%3A%2F%2Fflorakarnataka.ces.iisc.ernet.in%2Fhjcb2%2Fherbsheet.php%3Fid%3D4508%26cat%3D1&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFQjCNGe4VstBMYFvCU8Xfc87yOC1DU8jw>, >>>>>>>>> T. leucostaphylum >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> <http://florakarnataka.ces.iisc.ernet.in/hjcb2/herbsheet.php?id=4506&cat=1>, >>>>>>>>> *T. sulcatum >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> <http://florakarnataka.ces.iisc.ernet.in/hjcb2/herbsheet.php?id=4507&cat=1>* >>>>>>>>> - I am not sure if branches are sulcate >>>>>>>>> - flowering season doesn't match with *muricatum*, match with >>>>>>>>> *sulcatum*, don't have info on *leucostaphylum* >>>>>>>>> - leaves in your pics do not have long petiole, whereas >>>>>>>>> herbaria of *sulcatum* and *muricatum* show long petioled >>>>>>>>> leaves >>>>>>>>> - I am not sure if these leaves can be called crenate, as in >>>>>>>>> *sulcatum* >>>>>>>>> - Wight Icones T 740 has not been referred to *sulcatum* >>>>>>>>> - Icones T 740 is related with *muricatum* and *leucostaphylum* >>>>>>>>> - T 740 has acuminate leaflets, moderately long petiole >>>>>>>>> - I think leaves and inflorescence rather match with Icones T >>>>>>>>> 28, but branch in that plate is not muricated. T 28 is related to >>>>>>>>> *sulcatum* as per FBI >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Thank you >>>>>>>>> Regards >>>>>>>>> surajit >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> No need to hurry, first of anything is your study, you do need not >>>>>>>>> reply any thread right now. I can and will wait until your are done >>>>>>>>> with >>>>>>>>> all your other priorities. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I think it's better to to wait for the mature fruits of this plant >>>>>>>>> if it's in your vicinity. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> You can download Icones from >>>>>>>>> http://www.biodiversitylibrary.org/bibliography/92#/summary. >>>>>>>>> Meanwhile attached here related plates for your perusal. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Thank you and best wishes for your upcoming exams. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Regards >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> surajit >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Tetrastigma >>>>>>>>> <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/m---z/v/vitaceae/tetrastigma> >>>>>>>>> species in eFloraofindia (with details/ *keys*from published >>>>>>>>> papers/ regional floras/ FRLHT/ FOI/ Biotik/ efloras/ books etc., >>>>>>>>> where >>>>>>>>> ever available) >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >>>>>>>>> From: Anurag Sharma <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>> Date: 27 March 2015 at 20:52 >>>>>>>>> Subject: [efloraofindia:219386] ANMAR55/77 Please identify this >>>>>>>>> plant >>>>>>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Family: Vitaceae >>>>>>>>> Date: 24th March 2015 >>>>>>>>> Place: Mullayanagiri, Chikamagalur, Karnataka >>>>>>>>> Habit: Climber >>>>>>>>> Habitat: Shola forest >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>>>> Groups "efloraofindia" group. >>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>>>>> send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to >>>>>>>>> [email protected]. >>>>>>>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix. >>>>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> With regards, >>>>>>>>> J.M.Garg >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> 'Creating awareness of Indian Flora & Fauna' >>>>>>>>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jmgarg1> >>>>>>>>> The whole world uses my Image Resource >>>>>>>>> <http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:J.M.Garg> of more >>>>>>>>> than a thousand species & eight thousand images of Birds, Butterflies, >>>>>>>>> Plants etc. (arranged alphabetically & place-wise). 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