Dear all, The flowers in Solanum viarum Dunal are usually *white* and the fruits (small wild brinjals,some *3 cm* across?) are used as vegetable by local people in TN. Plants are smaller when compare to S. anguivi (= S. indicum). So the pictures shared by Sibdas ji must be *Solanum anguivi* (shrub 1-1.5 m high, with fruits of about 1 cm) and not S. viarum. He may like to provide more pictures for better understanding.
check these links: http://www.fleppc.org/ID_book/solanum%20viarum.pdf http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Solanum_viarum_2132028.jpg & http://www.forestryimages.org/search/action.cfm?q=Solanum%20viarum On Sat, Mar 6, 2010 at 11:29 AM, Yazdy Palia <[email protected]> wrote: > Dear Friends, > I am not very sure now, because since posting my last mail, I have > seen pictures of ripe fruits that are yellow in colour, but the > fruits I have seen in my farm is of fruits that are red in colour. > We may have to wait a while and study a bit more. > Regards > Yazdy Palia. > > On Sat, Mar 6, 2010 at 12:24 PM, tanay bose <[email protected]> wrote: > > Dear All, > > On the basis of the relevant taxonomic characters discussed by Yazdy Ji & > > Gurcharan Ji we all can come into a positive conclusion that "The plant > in > > the attached photographs belong to the genus Solanum sp and its specific > > epithet is Solanum viarum". I personally thank all of you for taking the > > tedious effort and well planned techniques to decipher the name of > this long > > discussed plant from West Bengal brought into our notice by Mr. Sibdas > > Ghosh. > > > > THANKS TO ALL > > > > Regards, > > Tanay Bose. > > > > On Sat, Mar 6, 2010 at 11:55 AM, Gurcharan Singh <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> > >> I have the following observations > >> The plant can't be Solanum xanthocarpum which has subsequently been > named > >> as S. surattense and now correctly as S. virginianum, because that plant > is > >> a small spreading subshrub with leaves not velvety. > >> The name S. indicum applied to Indian plants is not valid. Some of > Indian > >> Plants i.e. S. indicum auct with glabrous fruits is correctly S. > anguivi, S. > >> indicum L. now correctly known as lasiocarpum has tomentose berries. > >> S. verbascifolium L. now correctly known as S. erianthum has unarmed > >> stems and leaves. > >> I think the toss is between S. viarum and S. anguivi: > >> > >> Solanum viarum Dunal in A. de Candolle, Prodr. 13(1): 240. 1852 > >> > >> Syn: Solanum khasianum C. B. Clarke var. chatterjeeanum Sen Gupta. > >> > >> Herbs or subshrubs, erect, 0.5-1(-2) m tall, armed, minutely tomentose > >> with many-celled, simple, mostly glandular hairs. Stems and branches > terete, > >> densely and evenly pubescent with many-celled, simple hairs to 1 mm, > armed > >> with recurved prickles 2-5 × 1-5(-8) mm and sometimes with needlelike > >> prickles 1-4 mm. Leaves unequal paired; petiole stout 3-7 cm, armed with > >> erect, flat straight prickles 0.3-1.8 cm; leaf blade broadly ovate, 6-13 > × > >> 6-12 cm, with prickles and coarse, many-celled, glandular simple hairs > on > >> both surfaces, these mixed with sparse, sessile, stellate hairs > abaxially, > >> base truncate to short hastate, margin 3-5-lobed or -parted; lobes blunt > at > >> apex. Inflorescences extra-axillary, subfasciculate, 1-5-flowered > racemes; > >> peduncle obsolete or short. Flowers andromonoecious, only basal ones > >> fertile. Pedicel 4-6 mm. Calyx campanulate, ca. 10 × 7 mm, lobes > >> oblong-lanceolate, 0.6-1.2 mm, hairy and sometimes prickly abaxially. > >> Corolla white or green; lobes lanceolate, ca. 2.5 × 10 mm, pubescent as > on > >> calyx. Filaments 1-1.5 mm; anthers lanceolate, acuminate, 6-7 mm. Ovary > >> puberulent. Style ca. 8 mm, glabrous. Berry pale yellow, globose, 2-3 cm > in > >> diam. Seeds brown, lenticular, 2-2.8 mm in diam. Fl. Jun-Aug, fr. > Jun-Oct. > >> > >> Wastelands, grasslands, thickets, open forests, along ditches, > roadsides; > >> 1400-2200 m. E Xizang (Zaya Xian), Yunnan [widespread in tropical Asia > and > >> Africa]. > >> > >> 8. Solanum anguivi Lam., Tabl. Encycl. 2:23. 1794. Hepper, Bot. J. Linn. > >> Soc. 76:290. 1978. > >> > >> YASIN J. NASIR > >> > >> A prickly undershrub, 1.5-2 m tall, with dense stellate-tomentose parts. > >> Prickles up to 10 mm long, erect to slightly recurved. Leaves 4-15 x > 3.5-9 > >> cm, ovate to oblong-ovate, repand, acute, both surfaces stellately hairy > and > >> prickly on the nerves. Petiole up to 2.5 cm long. Flowers 4-15 in > number, > >> bluish-purple, in extra-axillary cymes. Calyx ± 4 mm long, campanulate, > >> stellately hairy. Corolla limb 18-20 mm broad; lobes acute. Anthers 6-7 > mm > >> long; filaments glabrous. Ovary and style pilose-pubescent. Berry > globose, > >> (5-)8-10 mm broad, glabrescent, yellow. Seeds ± 3 mm long, subreniform, > >> minutely reticulate, foveolate. > >> > >> Fl. Per.: Mostly throughout the year. > >> > >> Type: Described from Madagascar, Commerson (MPU, syntype P). > >> > >> Distribution: S. & S. E. Asia, Arabia and tropical Africa. > >> > >> Solanum viarum > >> Solanum anguivi > >> > >> Prickcle on stem recurved or needle-like prickles up to > 10 > >> mm long, > >> > >> up to 5 mm long > >> slightly recurved.or erect > >> > >> Petiole 3-7 cm, with flat straight prickles Petiole up > to > >> 2.5 cm, > >> > >> Leaves unequal pairs, 3-5 lobed Leaves > >> oblong-ovate, repand > >> > >> Flowers in 1-5 fld racemes > Flowers > >> 4-15, in extraaxillary cymes, > >> > >> white or green > >> flowers bluish-purple > >> > >> Berry glabrous, pale yellow, 2-3 cm Berry > >> glabrous, yellow, 8-10 mm > >> > >> http://www.efloras.org/object_page.aspx?object_id=86826&flora_id=5 > >> > >> I would go with S. viarum on the basis of longer petioles and prickles > on > >> leaf surface. > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Dr. Gurcharan Singh > >> Retired Associate Professor > >> SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 > >> Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. > >> Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 > >> http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ > >> > >> > >> On Sat, Mar 6, 2010 at 9:42 AM, tanay bose <[email protected]> > wrote: > >>> > >>> DEAR ALL, > >>> Please let us come into a decision regarding the specific epithet of > this > >>> particular plant. Let us all supplement our responses with > morphological > >>> points; i.e why you call calling this plant belonging to the partical > >>> species of Solanum sp [ diagonistic feature of the species]. It will > help us > >>> all to get into a conclusion and decipher the cprrect name of the > plant. > >>> > >>> Regards > >>> Tanay > >>> > >>> On Sat, Mar 6, 2010 at 2:39 AM, R. Vijayasankar > >>> <[email protected]> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> Hi, this is Solanum indicum (= S. anguivi), i think (to be > different!!). > >>>> > >>>> On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 10:15 AM, Yazdy Palia <[email protected]> > >>>> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> Dear friends, > >>>>> I think this is Solanum Viarum Dunal > >>>>> Please go through the link below. > >>>>> > >>>>> > http://www.discoverlife.org/mp/20q?search=Solanum+viarum&burl=http:/http:/www.invasivespeciesinfo.gov&btxt=InvasiveSpeciesInfo.gov > >>>>> Regards > >>>>> Yazdy Palia. > >>>>> > >>>>> On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 1:54 PM, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: > >>>>> > Forwarding again for Id assistance pl. > >>>>> > > >>>>> > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > >>>>> > From: sibdas ghosh <[email protected]> > >>>>> > Date: 5 February 2010 20:38 > >>>>> > Subject: [efloraofindia:27272] A Solanum sp > >>>>> > To: indiantreepix <[email protected]> > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > A Solanum (wild), i.d. requested > >>>>> > From Pingla, Midnapore, W.B. > >>>>> > > >>>>> > -- > >>>>> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > >>>>> > Groups > >>>>> > "efloraofindia" group. > >>>>> > To post to this group, send email to > [email protected]. > >>>>> > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > >>>>> > [email protected]<indiantreepix%[email protected]> > . > >>>>> > For more options, visit this group at > >>>>> > http://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix?hl=en. > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > -- > >>>>> > With regards, > >>>>> > J.M.Garg ([email protected]) > >>>>> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jmgarg1 > >>>>> > 'Creating awareness of Indian Flora & Fauna' > >>>>> > Image Resource of more than a thousand species of Birds, > Butterflies, > >>>>> > Plants > >>>>> > etc. (arranged alphabetically & place-wise): > >>>>> > http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:J.M.Garg > >>>>> > For learning about Indian Flora, visit/ join Google e-group- > >>>>> > Efloraofindia:http://groups.google.co.in/group/indiantreepix > >>>>> > > >>>>> > -- > >>>>> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > >>>>> > Groups > >>>>> > "efloraofindia" group. > >>>>> > To post to this group, send email to > [email protected]. > >>>>> > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > >>>>> > [email protected]<indiantreepix%[email protected]> > . > >>>>> > For more options, visit this group at > >>>>> > http://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix?hl=en. > >>>>> > > >>>>> > >>>>> -- > >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > >>>>> Groups "efloraofindia" group. > >>>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > >>>>> [email protected]<indiantreepix%[email protected]> > . > >>>>> For more options, visit this group at > >>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix?hl=en. > >>>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> -- > >>>> With regards > >>>> > >>>> R. 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