The second picture (100_1031) with white flowers and dissected/lobed leaves probably belongs to *Solanum sissimbrifolium*.
On Sun, Mar 7, 2010 at 9:59 AM, tanay bose <[email protected]> wrote: > Dear Gurcharan ji, > you are write i got confused with long thread. sorry for it. now i got hold > of it. > regards > tanay > > On Sun, Mar 7, 2010 at 9:25 PM, Gurcharan Singh <[email protected]>wrote: > >> Tanay >> You seem to be getting confused with long thread. First photo is same as >> first in original set above, only that flower is clearly seen. As Sibdas ji >> has pointed out ( and earlier Vijayasankar ji) it is S. anguivi. Third one >> seems to be S. viarum, as suggested by Sibdas ji. Second one with highly >> dissected leaves and paniculate white flowers is definitely not S. >> xanthocarpum(S.surratense correct name S. virginianum). This perhaps is >> still unidentified and needs further critical examination. >> >> >> -- >> >> Dr. Gurcharan Singh >> Retired Associate Professor >> SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 >> Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. >> Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 >> http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ >> >> >> On Sun, Mar 7, 2010 at 9:03 PM, tanay bose <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Dear Sibdas da, >>> attached photo is of 2 different plant first and last one is of Solanum >>> torvum (100_1031 JPG & 100_1137-1.JPG) and the middle one is S surattense >>> (100-1137-1) . please see the leaf morphology and you will understand that i >>> am correct . >>> regards >>> tanay >>> On Sun, Mar 7, 2010 at 8:54 PM, sibdas ghosh <[email protected]>wrote: >>> >>>> Taking the clue from Gurcharanji, I am attaching some more photos, >>>> one of them (100_1031 JPG) was sent earlier which I labeled as >>>> S.xanthocarpum/ surattense, but did not get any response from others. The >>>> other (100-1137-1) was also sent earlier . It was identified as S.viarum. >>>> If that is a viarum, the present one is likely anguivi- waiting comment >>>> from >>>> Gurcharanji- Sibdas Ghosh >>>> >>>> On 6 March 2010 23:36, R. Vijayasankar <[email protected]>wrote: >>>> >>>>> Dear all, >>>>> The flowers in Solanum viarum Dunal are usually *white* and the fruits >>>>> (small wild brinjals,some *3 cm* across?) are used as vegetable by >>>>> local people in TN. Plants are smaller when compare to S. anguivi (= S. >>>>> indicum). So the pictures shared by Sibdas ji must be *Solanum anguivi >>>>> * (shrub 1-1.5 m high, with fruits of about 1 cm) and not S. viarum. >>>>> He may like to provide more pictures for better understanding. >>>>> >>>>> check these links: http://www.fleppc.org/ID_book/solanum%20viarum.pdf >>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Solanum_viarum_2132028.jpg & >>>>> http://www.forestryimages.org/search/action.cfm?q=Solanum%20viarum >>>>> >>>>> On Sat, Mar 6, 2010 at 11:29 AM, Yazdy Palia >>>>> <[email protected]>wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Dear Friends, >>>>>> I am not very sure now, because since posting my last mail, I have >>>>>> seen pictures of ripe fruits that are yellow in colour, but the >>>>>> fruits I have seen in my farm is of fruits that are red in colour. >>>>>> We may have to wait a while and study a bit more. >>>>>> Regards >>>>>> Yazdy Palia. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sat, Mar 6, 2010 at 12:24 PM, tanay bose <[email protected]> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> > Dear All, >>>>>> > On the basis of the relevant taxonomic characters discussed by Yazdy >>>>>> Ji & >>>>>> > Gurcharan Ji we all can come into a positive conclusion that "The >>>>>> plant in >>>>>> > the attached photographs belong to the genus Solanum sp and its >>>>>> specific >>>>>> > epithet is Solanum viarum". I personally thank all of you for taking >>>>>> the >>>>>> > tedious effort and well planned techniques to decipher the name of >>>>>> this long >>>>>> > discussed plant from West Bengal brought into our notice by Mr. >>>>>> Sibdas >>>>>> > Ghosh. >>>>>> > >>>>>> > THANKS TO ALL >>>>>> > >>>>>> > Regards, >>>>>> > Tanay Bose. >>>>>> > >>>>>> > On Sat, Mar 6, 2010 at 11:55 AM, Gurcharan Singh < >>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> I have the following observations >>>>>> >> The plant can't be Solanum xanthocarpum which has subsequently been >>>>>> named >>>>>> >> as S. surattense and now correctly as S. virginianum, because that >>>>>> plant is >>>>>> >> a small spreading subshrub with leaves not velvety. >>>>>> >> The name S. indicum applied to Indian plants is not valid. Some of >>>>>> Indian >>>>>> >> Plants i.e. S. indicum auct with glabrous fruits is correctly S. >>>>>> anguivi, S. >>>>>> >> indicum L. now correctly known as lasiocarpum has tomentose >>>>>> berries. >>>>>> >> S. verbascifolium L. now correctly known as S. erianthum has >>>>>> unarmed >>>>>> >> stems and leaves. >>>>>> >> I think the toss is between S. viarum and S. anguivi: >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> Solanum viarum Dunal in A. de Candolle, Prodr. 13(1): 240. 1852 >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> Syn: Solanum khasianum C. B. Clarke var. chatterjeeanum Sen Gupta. >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> Herbs or subshrubs, erect, 0.5-1(-2) m tall, armed, minutely >>>>>> tomentose >>>>>> >> with many-celled, simple, mostly glandular hairs. Stems and >>>>>> branches terete, >>>>>> >> densely and evenly pubescent with many-celled, simple hairs to 1 >>>>>> mm, armed >>>>>> >> with recurved prickles 2-5 × 1-5(-8) mm and sometimes with >>>>>> needlelike >>>>>> >> prickles 1-4 mm. Leaves unequal paired; petiole stout 3-7 cm, armed >>>>>> with >>>>>> >> erect, flat straight prickles 0.3-1.8 cm; leaf blade broadly ovate, >>>>>> 6-13 × >>>>>> >> 6-12 cm, with prickles and coarse, many-celled, glandular simple >>>>>> hairs on >>>>>> >> both surfaces, these mixed with sparse, sessile, stellate hairs >>>>>> abaxially, >>>>>> >> base truncate to short hastate, margin 3-5-lobed or -parted; lobes >>>>>> blunt at >>>>>> >> apex. Inflorescences extra-axillary, subfasciculate, 1-5-flowered >>>>>> racemes; >>>>>> >> peduncle obsolete or short. Flowers andromonoecious, only basal >>>>>> ones >>>>>> >> fertile. Pedicel 4-6 mm. Calyx campanulate, ca. 10 × 7 mm, lobes >>>>>> >> oblong-lanceolate, 0.6-1.2 mm, hairy and sometimes prickly >>>>>> abaxially. >>>>>> >> Corolla white or green; lobes lanceolate, ca. 2.5 × 10 mm, >>>>>> pubescent as on >>>>>> >> calyx. Filaments 1-1.5 mm; anthers lanceolate, acuminate, 6-7 mm. >>>>>> Ovary >>>>>> >> puberulent. Style ca. 8 mm, glabrous. Berry pale yellow, globose, >>>>>> 2-3 cm in >>>>>> >> diam. Seeds brown, lenticular, 2-2.8 mm in diam. Fl. Jun-Aug, fr. >>>>>> Jun-Oct. >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> Wastelands, grasslands, thickets, open forests, along ditches, >>>>>> roadsides; >>>>>> >> 1400-2200 m. E Xizang (Zaya Xian), Yunnan [widespread in tropical >>>>>> Asia and >>>>>> >> Africa]. >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> 8. Solanum anguivi Lam., Tabl. Encycl. 2:23. 1794. Hepper, Bot. J. >>>>>> Linn. >>>>>> >> Soc. 76:290. 1978. >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> YASIN J. NASIR >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> A prickly undershrub, 1.5-2 m tall, with dense stellate-tomentose >>>>>> parts. >>>>>> >> Prickles up to 10 mm long, erect to slightly recurved. Leaves 4-15 >>>>>> x 3.5-9 >>>>>> >> cm, ovate to oblong-ovate, repand, acute, both surfaces stellately >>>>>> hairy and >>>>>> >> prickly on the nerves. Petiole up to 2.5 cm long. Flowers 4-15 in >>>>>> number, >>>>>> >> bluish-purple, in extra-axillary cymes. Calyx ± 4 mm long, >>>>>> campanulate, >>>>>> >> stellately hairy. Corolla limb 18-20 mm broad; lobes acute. Anthers >>>>>> 6-7 mm >>>>>> >> long; filaments glabrous. Ovary and style pilose-pubescent. Berry >>>>>> globose, >>>>>> >> (5-)8-10 mm broad, glabrescent, yellow. Seeds ± 3 mm long, >>>>>> subreniform, >>>>>> >> minutely reticulate, foveolate. >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> Fl. Per.: Mostly throughout the year. >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> Type: Described from Madagascar, Commerson (MPU, syntype P). >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> Distribution: S. & S. E. Asia, Arabia and tropical Africa. >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> Solanum viarum >>>>>> >> Solanum anguivi >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> Prickcle on stem recurved or needle-like prickles up >>>>>> to 10 >>>>>> >> mm long, >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> up to 5 mm long >>>>>> >> slightly recurved.or erect >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> Petiole 3-7 cm, with flat straight prickles >>>>>> Petiole up to >>>>>> >> 2.5 cm, >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> Leaves unequal pairs, 3-5 lobed >>>>>> Leaves >>>>>> >> oblong-ovate, repand >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> Flowers in 1-5 fld racemes >>>>>> Flowers >>>>>> >> 4-15, in extraaxillary cymes, >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> white or green >>>>>> >> flowers bluish-purple >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> Berry glabrous, pale yellow, 2-3 cm Berry >>>>>> >> glabrous, yellow, 8-10 mm >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> http://www.efloras.org/object_page.aspx?object_id=86826&flora_id=5 >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> I would go with S. viarum on the basis of longer petioles and >>>>>> prickles on >>>>>> >> leaf surface. >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> -- >>>>>> >> Dr. Gurcharan Singh >>>>>> >> Retired Associate Professor >>>>>> >> SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 >>>>>> >> Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. >>>>>> >> Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 >>>>>> >> http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> On Sat, Mar 6, 2010 at 9:42 AM, tanay bose <[email protected]> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> DEAR ALL, >>>>>> >>> Please let us come into a decision regarding the specific epithet >>>>>> of this >>>>>> >>> particular plant. Let us all supplement our responses with >>>>>> morphological >>>>>> >>> points; i.e why you call calling this plant belonging to the >>>>>> partical >>>>>> >>> species of Solanum sp [ diagonistic feature of the species]. It >>>>>> will help us >>>>>> >>> all to get into a conclusion and decipher the cprrect name of the >>>>>> plant. >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> Regards >>>>>> >>> Tanay >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> On Sat, Mar 6, 2010 at 2:39 AM, R. Vijayasankar >>>>>> >>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>> Hi, this is Solanum indicum (= S. anguivi), i think (to be >>>>>> different!!). >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>> On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 10:15 AM, Yazdy Palia < >>>>>> [email protected]> >>>>>> >>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> Dear friends, >>>>>> >>>>> I think this is Solanum Viarum Dunal >>>>>> >>>>> Please go through the link below. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> http://www.discoverlife.org/mp/20q?search=Solanum+viarum&burl=http:/http:/www.invasivespeciesinfo.gov&btxt=InvasiveSpeciesInfo.gov >>>>>> >>>>> Regards >>>>>> >>>>> Yazdy Palia. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 1:54 PM, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>> > Forwarding again for Id assistance pl. >>>>>> >>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>> > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >>>>>> >>>>> > From: sibdas ghosh <[email protected]> >>>>>> >>>>> > Date: 5 February 2010 20:38 >>>>>> >>>>> > Subject: [efloraofindia:27272] A Solanum sp >>>>>> >>>>> > To: indiantreepix <[email protected]> >>>>>> >>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>> > A Solanum (wild), i.d. requested >>>>>> >>>>> > From Pingla, Midnapore, W.B. >>>>>> >>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>> > -- >>>>>> >>>>> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the >>>>>> Google >>>>>> >>>>> > Groups >>>>>> >>>>> > "efloraofindia" group. >>>>>> >>>>> > To post to this group, send email to >>>>>> [email protected]. >>>>>> >>>>> > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>>> >>>>> > [email protected]<indiantreepix%[email protected]> >>>>>> . >>>>>> >>>>> > For more options, visit this group at >>>>>> >>>>> > http://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix?hl=en. >>>>>> >>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>> > -- >>>>>> >>>>> > With regards, >>>>>> >>>>> > J.M.Garg ([email protected]) >>>>>> >>>>> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jmgarg1 >>>>>> >>>>> > 'Creating awareness of Indian Flora & Fauna' >>>>>> >>>>> > Image Resource of more than a thousand species of Birds, >>>>>> Butterflies, >>>>>> >>>>> > Plants >>>>>> >>>>> > etc. (arranged alphabetically & place-wise): >>>>>> >>>>> > http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:J.M.Garg >>>>>> >>>>> > For learning about Indian Flora, visit/ join Google e-group- >>>>>> >>>>> > Efloraofindia:http://groups.google.co.in/group/indiantreepix >>>>>> >>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>> > -- >>>>>> >>>>> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the >>>>>> Google >>>>>> >>>>> > Groups >>>>>> >>>>> > "efloraofindia" group. >>>>>> >>>>> > To post to this group, send email to >>>>>> [email protected]. >>>>>> >>>>> > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>>> >>>>> > [email protected]<indiantreepix%[email protected]> >>>>>> . >>>>>> >>>>> > For more options, visit this group at >>>>>> >>>>> > http://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix?hl=en. >>>>>> >>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>>> >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the >>>>>> Google >>>>>> >>>>> Groups "efloraofindia" group. >>>>>> >>>>> To post to this group, send email to >>>>>> [email protected]. >>>>>> >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>>> >>>>> [email protected]<indiantreepix%[email protected]> >>>>>> . >>>>>> >>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>>> >>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix?hl=en. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>> -- >>>>>> >>>> With regards >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>> R. 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Vijayasankar >>>>> National Center for Natural Products Research, >>>>> The University of Mississippi, >>>>> Oxford, MS-38677, USA. >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> sibdas ghosh >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Tanay Bose >>> +91(033) 25550676 (Resi) >>> 9830439691(Mobile) >>> 9674221362 (Mobile) >>> >>> >> >> >> > > > -- > Tanay Bose > +91(033) 25550676 (Resi) > 9830439691(Mobile) > 9674221362 (Mobile) > > -- With regards R. Vijayasankar National Center for Natural Products Research, The University of Mississippi, Oxford, MS-38677, USA. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "efloraofindia" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix?hl=en.
