Yes Vijayasankar ji Seem seem to have solved the riddle ultimately.
-- Dr. Gurcharan Singh Retired Associate Professor SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 5:44 AM, R. Vijayasankar <[email protected]>wrote: > The second picture (100_1031) with white flowers and dissected/lobed leaves > probably belongs to *Solanum sissimbrifolium*. > > > On Sun, Mar 7, 2010 at 9:59 AM, tanay bose <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Dear Gurcharan ji, >> you are write i got confused with long thread. sorry for it. now i got >> hold of it. >> regards >> tanay >> >> On Sun, Mar 7, 2010 at 9:25 PM, Gurcharan Singh <[email protected]>wrote: >> >>> Tanay >>> You seem to be getting confused with long thread. First photo is same as >>> first in original set above, only that flower is clearly seen. As Sibdas ji >>> has pointed out ( and earlier Vijayasankar ji) it is S. anguivi. Third one >>> seems to be S. viarum, as suggested by Sibdas ji. Second one with highly >>> dissected leaves and paniculate white flowers is definitely not S. >>> xanthocarpum(S.surratense correct name S. virginianum). This perhaps is >>> still unidentified and needs further critical examination. >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> Dr. Gurcharan Singh >>> Retired Associate Professor >>> SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 >>> Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. >>> Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 >>> http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ >>> >>> >>> On Sun, Mar 7, 2010 at 9:03 PM, tanay bose <[email protected]>wrote: >>> >>>> Dear Sibdas da, >>>> attached photo is of 2 different plant first and last one is of Solanum >>>> torvum (100_1031 JPG & 100_1137-1.JPG) and the middle one is S surattense >>>> (100-1137-1) . please see the leaf morphology and you will understand that >>>> i >>>> am correct . >>>> regards >>>> tanay >>>> On Sun, Mar 7, 2010 at 8:54 PM, sibdas ghosh >>>> <[email protected]>wrote: >>>> >>>>> Taking the clue from Gurcharanji, I am attaching some more photos, >>>>> one of them (100_1031 JPG) was sent earlier which I labeled as >>>>> S.xanthocarpum/ surattense, but did not get any response from others. The >>>>> other (100-1137-1) was also sent earlier . It was identified as S.viarum. >>>>> If that is a viarum, the present one is likely anguivi- waiting comment >>>>> from >>>>> Gurcharanji- Sibdas Ghosh >>>>> >>>>> On 6 March 2010 23:36, R. Vijayasankar <[email protected]>wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Dear all, >>>>>> The flowers in Solanum viarum Dunal are usually *white* and the >>>>>> fruits (small wild brinjals,some *3 cm* across?) are used as >>>>>> vegetable by local people in TN. Plants are smaller when compare to S. >>>>>> anguivi (= S. indicum). So the pictures shared by Sibdas ji must be >>>>>> *Solanum >>>>>> anguivi* (shrub 1-1.5 m high, with fruits of about 1 cm) and not S. >>>>>> viarum. He may like to provide more pictures for better understanding. >>>>>> >>>>>> check these links: http://www.fleppc.org/ID_book/solanum%20viarum.pdf >>>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Solanum_viarum_2132028.jpg & >>>>>> http://www.forestryimages.org/search/action.cfm?q=Solanum%20viarum >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sat, Mar 6, 2010 at 11:29 AM, Yazdy Palia >>>>>> <[email protected]>wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Dear Friends, >>>>>>> I am not very sure now, because since posting my last mail, I have >>>>>>> seen pictures of ripe fruits that are yellow in colour, but the >>>>>>> fruits I have seen in my farm is of fruits that are red in colour. >>>>>>> We may have to wait a while and study a bit more. >>>>>>> Regards >>>>>>> Yazdy Palia. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Sat, Mar 6, 2010 at 12:24 PM, tanay bose <[email protected]> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> > Dear All, >>>>>>> > On the basis of the relevant taxonomic characters discussed by >>>>>>> Yazdy Ji & >>>>>>> > Gurcharan Ji we all can come into a positive conclusion that "The >>>>>>> plant in >>>>>>> > the attached photographs belong to the genus Solanum sp and its >>>>>>> specific >>>>>>> > epithet is Solanum viarum". I personally thank all of you for >>>>>>> taking the >>>>>>> > tedious effort and well planned techniques to decipher the name of >>>>>>> this long >>>>>>> > discussed plant from West Bengal brought into our notice by Mr. >>>>>>> Sibdas >>>>>>> > Ghosh. >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > THANKS TO ALL >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > Regards, >>>>>>> > Tanay Bose. >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > On Sat, Mar 6, 2010 at 11:55 AM, Gurcharan Singh < >>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> I have the following observations >>>>>>> >> The plant can't be Solanum xanthocarpum which has subsequently >>>>>>> been named >>>>>>> >> as S. surattense and now correctly as S. virginianum, because that >>>>>>> plant is >>>>>>> >> a small spreading subshrub with leaves not velvety. >>>>>>> >> The name S. indicum applied to Indian plants is not valid. Some of >>>>>>> Indian >>>>>>> >> Plants i.e. S. indicum auct with glabrous fruits is correctly S. >>>>>>> anguivi, S. >>>>>>> >> indicum L. now correctly known as lasiocarpum has tomentose >>>>>>> berries. >>>>>>> >> S. verbascifolium L. now correctly known as S. erianthum has >>>>>>> unarmed >>>>>>> >> stems and leaves. >>>>>>> >> I think the toss is between S. viarum and S. anguivi: >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> Solanum viarum Dunal in A. de Candolle, Prodr. 13(1): 240. 1852 >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> Syn: Solanum khasianum C. B. Clarke var. chatterjeeanum Sen Gupta. >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> Herbs or subshrubs, erect, 0.5-1(-2) m tall, armed, minutely >>>>>>> tomentose >>>>>>> >> with many-celled, simple, mostly glandular hairs. Stems and >>>>>>> branches terete, >>>>>>> >> densely and evenly pubescent with many-celled, simple hairs to 1 >>>>>>> mm, armed >>>>>>> >> with recurved prickles 2-5 × 1-5(-8) mm and sometimes with >>>>>>> needlelike >>>>>>> >> prickles 1-4 mm. Leaves unequal paired; petiole stout 3-7 cm, >>>>>>> armed with >>>>>>> >> erect, flat straight prickles 0.3-1.8 cm; leaf blade broadly >>>>>>> ovate, 6-13 × >>>>>>> >> 6-12 cm, with prickles and coarse, many-celled, glandular simple >>>>>>> hairs on >>>>>>> >> both surfaces, these mixed with sparse, sessile, stellate hairs >>>>>>> abaxially, >>>>>>> >> base truncate to short hastate, margin 3-5-lobed or -parted; lobes >>>>>>> blunt at >>>>>>> >> apex. Inflorescences extra-axillary, subfasciculate, 1-5-flowered >>>>>>> racemes; >>>>>>> >> peduncle obsolete or short. Flowers andromonoecious, only basal >>>>>>> ones >>>>>>> >> fertile. Pedicel 4-6 mm. Calyx campanulate, ca. 10 × 7 mm, lobes >>>>>>> >> oblong-lanceolate, 0.6-1.2 mm, hairy and sometimes prickly >>>>>>> abaxially. >>>>>>> >> Corolla white or green; lobes lanceolate, ca. 2.5 × 10 mm, >>>>>>> pubescent as on >>>>>>> >> calyx. Filaments 1-1.5 mm; anthers lanceolate, acuminate, 6-7 mm. >>>>>>> Ovary >>>>>>> >> puberulent. Style ca. 8 mm, glabrous. Berry pale yellow, globose, >>>>>>> 2-3 cm in >>>>>>> >> diam. Seeds brown, lenticular, 2-2.8 mm in diam. Fl. Jun-Aug, fr. >>>>>>> Jun-Oct. >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> Wastelands, grasslands, thickets, open forests, along ditches, >>>>>>> roadsides; >>>>>>> >> 1400-2200 m. E Xizang (Zaya Xian), Yunnan [widespread in tropical >>>>>>> Asia and >>>>>>> >> Africa]. >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> 8. Solanum anguivi Lam., Tabl. Encycl. 2:23. 1794. Hepper, Bot. J. >>>>>>> Linn. >>>>>>> >> Soc. 76:290. 1978. >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> YASIN J. NASIR >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> A prickly undershrub, 1.5-2 m tall, with dense stellate-tomentose >>>>>>> parts. >>>>>>> >> Prickles up to 10 mm long, erect to slightly recurved. Leaves 4-15 >>>>>>> x 3.5-9 >>>>>>> >> cm, ovate to oblong-ovate, repand, acute, both surfaces stellately >>>>>>> hairy and >>>>>>> >> prickly on the nerves. Petiole up to 2.5 cm long. Flowers 4-15 in >>>>>>> number, >>>>>>> >> bluish-purple, in extra-axillary cymes. Calyx ± 4 mm long, >>>>>>> campanulate, >>>>>>> >> stellately hairy. Corolla limb 18-20 mm broad; lobes acute. >>>>>>> Anthers 6-7 mm >>>>>>> >> long; filaments glabrous. Ovary and style pilose-pubescent. Berry >>>>>>> globose, >>>>>>> >> (5-)8-10 mm broad, glabrescent, yellow. Seeds ± 3 mm long, >>>>>>> subreniform, >>>>>>> >> minutely reticulate, foveolate. >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> Fl. Per.: Mostly throughout the year. >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> Type: Described from Madagascar, Commerson (MPU, syntype P). >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> Distribution: S. & S. E. Asia, Arabia and tropical Africa. >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> Solanum viarum >>>>>>> >> Solanum anguivi >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> Prickcle on stem recurved or needle-like prickles >>>>>>> up to 10 >>>>>>> >> mm long, >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> up to 5 mm long >>>>>>> >> slightly recurved.or erect >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> Petiole 3-7 cm, with flat straight prickles >>>>>>> Petiole up to >>>>>>> >> 2.5 cm, >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> Leaves unequal pairs, 3-5 lobed >>>>>>> Leaves >>>>>>> >> oblong-ovate, repand >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> Flowers in 1-5 fld racemes >>>>>>> Flowers >>>>>>> >> 4-15, in extraaxillary cymes, >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> white or green >>>>>>> >> flowers bluish-purple >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> Berry glabrous, pale yellow, 2-3 cm Berry >>>>>>> >> glabrous, yellow, 8-10 mm >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> http://www.efloras.org/object_page.aspx?object_id=86826&flora_id=5 >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> I would go with S. viarum on the basis of longer petioles and >>>>>>> prickles on >>>>>>> >> leaf surface. >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> -- >>>>>>> >> Dr. Gurcharan Singh >>>>>>> >> Retired Associate Professor >>>>>>> >> SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 >>>>>>> >> Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. >>>>>>> >> Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 >>>>>>> >> http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> On Sat, Mar 6, 2010 at 9:42 AM, tanay bose <[email protected]> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>> >>> DEAR ALL, >>>>>>> >>> Please let us come into a decision regarding the specific epithet >>>>>>> of this >>>>>>> >>> particular plant. Let us all supplement our responses with >>>>>>> morphological >>>>>>> >>> points; i.e why you call calling this plant belonging to the >>>>>>> partical >>>>>>> >>> species of Solanum sp [ diagonistic feature of the species]. It >>>>>>> will help us >>>>>>> >>> all to get into a conclusion and decipher the cprrect name of the >>>>>>> plant. >>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>> >>> Regards >>>>>>> >>> Tanay >>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>> >>> On Sat, Mar 6, 2010 at 2:39 AM, R. Vijayasankar >>>>>>> >>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>> >>>> Hi, this is Solanum indicum (= S. anguivi), i think (to be >>>>>>> different!!). >>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>> >>>> On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 10:15 AM, Yazdy Palia < >>>>>>> [email protected]> >>>>>>> >>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>> Dear friends, >>>>>>> >>>>> I think this is Solanum Viarum Dunal >>>>>>> >>>>> Please go through the link below. >>>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>> http://www.discoverlife.org/mp/20q?search=Solanum+viarum&burl=http:/http:/www.invasivespeciesinfo.gov&btxt=InvasiveSpeciesInfo.gov >>>>>>> >>>>> Regards >>>>>>> >>>>> Yazdy Palia. >>>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>> On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 1:54 PM, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>> > Forwarding again for Id assistance pl. >>>>>>> >>>>> > >>>>>>> >>>>> > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >>>>>>> >>>>> > From: sibdas ghosh <[email protected]> >>>>>>> >>>>> > Date: 5 February 2010 20:38 >>>>>>> >>>>> > Subject: [efloraofindia:27272] A Solanum sp >>>>>>> >>>>> > To: indiantreepix <[email protected]> >>>>>>> >>>>> > >>>>>>> >>>>> > >>>>>>> >>>>> > A Solanum (wild), i.d. requested >>>>>>> >>>>> > From Pingla, Midnapore, W.B. >>>>>>> >>>>> > >>>>>>> >>>>> > -- >>>>>>> >>>>> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the >>>>>>> Google >>>>>>> >>>>> > Groups >>>>>>> >>>>> > "efloraofindia" group. >>>>>>> >>>>> > To post to this group, send email to >>>>>>> [email protected]. >>>>>>> >>>>> > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>>>> >>>>> > [email protected]<indiantreepix%[email protected]> >>>>>>> . >>>>>>> >>>>> > For more options, visit this group at >>>>>>> >>>>> > http://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix?hl=en. >>>>>>> >>>>> > >>>>>>> >>>>> > >>>>>>> >>>>> > >>>>>>> >>>>> > >>>>>>> >>>>> > -- >>>>>>> >>>>> > With regards, >>>>>>> >>>>> > J.M.Garg ([email protected]) >>>>>>> >>>>> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jmgarg1 >>>>>>> >>>>> > 'Creating awareness of Indian Flora & Fauna' >>>>>>> >>>>> > Image Resource of more than a thousand species of Birds, >>>>>>> Butterflies, >>>>>>> >>>>> > Plants >>>>>>> >>>>> > etc. (arranged alphabetically & place-wise): >>>>>>> >>>>> > http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:J.M.Garg >>>>>>> >>>>> > For learning about Indian Flora, visit/ join Google e-group- >>>>>>> >>>>> > Efloraofindia:http://groups.google.co.in/group/indiantreepix >>>>>>> >>>>> > >>>>>>> >>>>> > -- >>>>>>> >>>>> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the >>>>>>> Google >>>>>>> >>>>> > Groups >>>>>>> >>>>> > "efloraofindia" group. >>>>>>> >>>>> > To post to this group, send email to >>>>>>> [email protected]. >>>>>>> >>>>> > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>>>> >>>>> > [email protected]<indiantreepix%[email protected]> >>>>>>> . >>>>>>> >>>>> > For more options, visit this group at >>>>>>> >>>>> > http://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix?hl=en. >>>>>>> >>>>> > >>>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>>>> >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the >>>>>>> Google >>>>>>> >>>>> Groups "efloraofindia" group. >>>>>>> >>>>> To post to this group, send email to >>>>>>> [email protected]. >>>>>>> >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>>>> >>>>> [email protected]<indiantreepix%[email protected]> >>>>>>> . >>>>>>> >>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>>>> >>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix?hl=en. >>>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>> >>>> -- >>>>>>> >>>> With regards >>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>> >>>> R. Vijayasankar >>>>>>> >>>> National Center for Natural Products Research, >>>>>>> >>>> The University of Mississippi, >>>>>>> >>>> Oxford, MS-38677, USA. >>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>> >>> -- >>>>>>> >>> Tanay Bose >>>>>>> >>> +91(033) 25550676 (Resi) >>>>>>> >>> 9830439691(Mobile) >>>>>>> >>> 9674221362 (Mobile) >>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>> >>> -- >>>>>>> >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the >>>>>>> Google Groups >>>>>>> >>> "efloraofindia" group. >>>>>>> >>> To post to this group, send email to >>>>>>> [email protected]. >>>>>>> >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>>>> >>> [email protected]<indiantreepix%[email protected]> >>>>>>> . >>>>>>> >>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>>>> >>> http://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix?hl=en. >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > -- >>>>>>> > Tanay Bose >>>>>>> > +91(033) 25550676 (Resi) >>>>>>> > 9830439691(Mobile) >>>>>>> > 9674221362 (Mobile) >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> With regards >>>>>> >>>>>> R. Vijayasankar >>>>>> National Center for Natural Products Research, >>>>>> The University of Mississippi, >>>>>> Oxford, MS-38677, USA. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> sibdas ghosh >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Tanay Bose >>>> +91(033) 25550676 (Resi) >>>> 9830439691(Mobile) >>>> 9674221362 (Mobile) >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Tanay Bose >> +91(033) 25550676 (Resi) >> 9830439691(Mobile) >> 9674221362 (Mobile) >> >> > > > -- > With regards > > R. Vijayasankar > National Center for Natural Products Research, > The University of Mississippi, > Oxford, MS-38677, USA. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "efloraofindia" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix?hl=en.
