Dear Gurcharan ji, you are write i got confused with long thread. sorry for it. now i got hold of it. regards tanay
On Sun, Mar 7, 2010 at 9:25 PM, Gurcharan Singh <[email protected]> wrote: > Tanay > You seem to be getting confused with long thread. First photo is same as > first in original set above, only that flower is clearly seen. As Sibdas ji > has pointed out ( and earlier Vijayasankar ji) it is S. anguivi. Third one > seems to be S. viarum, as suggested by Sibdas ji. Second one with highly > dissected leaves and paniculate white flowers is definitely not S. > xanthocarpum(S.surratense correct name S. virginianum). This perhaps is > still unidentified and needs further critical examination. > > > -- > > Dr. Gurcharan Singh > Retired Associate Professor > SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 > Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. > Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 > http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ > > > On Sun, Mar 7, 2010 at 9:03 PM, tanay bose <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Dear Sibdas da, >> attached photo is of 2 different plant first and last one is of Solanum >> torvum (100_1031 JPG & 100_1137-1.JPG) and the middle one is S surattense >> (100-1137-1) . please see the leaf morphology and you will understand that i >> am correct . >> regards >> tanay >> On Sun, Mar 7, 2010 at 8:54 PM, sibdas ghosh <[email protected]>wrote: >> >>> Taking the clue from Gurcharanji, I am attaching some more photos, >>> one of them (100_1031 JPG) was sent earlier which I labeled as >>> S.xanthocarpum/ surattense, but did not get any response from others. The >>> other (100-1137-1) was also sent earlier . It was identified as S.viarum. >>> If that is a viarum, the present one is likely anguivi- waiting comment from >>> Gurcharanji- Sibdas Ghosh >>> >>> On 6 March 2010 23:36, R. Vijayasankar <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Dear all, >>>> The flowers in Solanum viarum Dunal are usually *white* and the fruits >>>> (small wild brinjals,some *3 cm* across?) are used as vegetable by >>>> local people in TN. Plants are smaller when compare to S. anguivi (= S. >>>> indicum). So the pictures shared by Sibdas ji must be *Solanum >>>> anguivi*(shrub 1-1.5 m high, with fruits of about 1 cm) and not S. viarum. >>>> He may >>>> like to provide more pictures for better understanding. >>>> >>>> check these links: http://www.fleppc.org/ID_book/solanum%20viarum.pdf >>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Solanum_viarum_2132028.jpg & >>>> http://www.forestryimages.org/search/action.cfm?q=Solanum%20viarum >>>> >>>> On Sat, Mar 6, 2010 at 11:29 AM, Yazdy Palia <[email protected]>wrote: >>>> >>>>> Dear Friends, >>>>> I am not very sure now, because since posting my last mail, I have >>>>> seen pictures of ripe fruits that are yellow in colour, but the >>>>> fruits I have seen in my farm is of fruits that are red in colour. >>>>> We may have to wait a while and study a bit more. >>>>> Regards >>>>> Yazdy Palia. >>>>> >>>>> On Sat, Mar 6, 2010 at 12:24 PM, tanay bose <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> > Dear All, >>>>> > On the basis of the relevant taxonomic characters discussed by Yazdy >>>>> Ji & >>>>> > Gurcharan Ji we all can come into a positive conclusion that "The >>>>> plant in >>>>> > the attached photographs belong to the genus Solanum sp and its >>>>> specific >>>>> > epithet is Solanum viarum". I personally thank all of you for taking >>>>> the >>>>> > tedious effort and well planned techniques to decipher the name of >>>>> this long >>>>> > discussed plant from West Bengal brought into our notice by Mr. >>>>> Sibdas >>>>> > Ghosh. >>>>> > >>>>> > THANKS TO ALL >>>>> > >>>>> > Regards, >>>>> > Tanay Bose. >>>>> > >>>>> > On Sat, Mar 6, 2010 at 11:55 AM, Gurcharan Singh <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >> >>>>> >> I have the following observations >>>>> >> The plant can't be Solanum xanthocarpum which has subsequently been >>>>> named >>>>> >> as S. surattense and now correctly as S. virginianum, because that >>>>> plant is >>>>> >> a small spreading subshrub with leaves not velvety. >>>>> >> The name S. indicum applied to Indian plants is not valid. Some of >>>>> Indian >>>>> >> Plants i.e. S. indicum auct with glabrous fruits is correctly S. >>>>> anguivi, S. >>>>> >> indicum L. now correctly known as lasiocarpum has tomentose berries. >>>>> >> S. verbascifolium L. now correctly known as S. erianthum has >>>>> unarmed >>>>> >> stems and leaves. >>>>> >> I think the toss is between S. viarum and S. anguivi: >>>>> >> >>>>> >> Solanum viarum Dunal in A. de Candolle, Prodr. 13(1): 240. 1852 >>>>> >> >>>>> >> Syn: Solanum khasianum C. B. Clarke var. chatterjeeanum Sen Gupta. >>>>> >> >>>>> >> Herbs or subshrubs, erect, 0.5-1(-2) m tall, armed, minutely >>>>> tomentose >>>>> >> with many-celled, simple, mostly glandular hairs. Stems and branches >>>>> terete, >>>>> >> densely and evenly pubescent with many-celled, simple hairs to 1 mm, >>>>> armed >>>>> >> with recurved prickles 2-5 × 1-5(-8) mm and sometimes with >>>>> needlelike >>>>> >> prickles 1-4 mm. Leaves unequal paired; petiole stout 3-7 cm, armed >>>>> with >>>>> >> erect, flat straight prickles 0.3-1.8 cm; leaf blade broadly ovate, >>>>> 6-13 × >>>>> >> 6-12 cm, with prickles and coarse, many-celled, glandular simple >>>>> hairs on >>>>> >> both surfaces, these mixed with sparse, sessile, stellate hairs >>>>> abaxially, >>>>> >> base truncate to short hastate, margin 3-5-lobed or -parted; lobes >>>>> blunt at >>>>> >> apex. Inflorescences extra-axillary, subfasciculate, 1-5-flowered >>>>> racemes; >>>>> >> peduncle obsolete or short. Flowers andromonoecious, only basal ones >>>>> >> fertile. Pedicel 4-6 mm. Calyx campanulate, ca. 10 × 7 mm, lobes >>>>> >> oblong-lanceolate, 0.6-1.2 mm, hairy and sometimes prickly >>>>> abaxially. >>>>> >> Corolla white or green; lobes lanceolate, ca. 2.5 × 10 mm, pubescent >>>>> as on >>>>> >> calyx. Filaments 1-1.5 mm; anthers lanceolate, acuminate, 6-7 mm. >>>>> Ovary >>>>> >> puberulent. Style ca. 8 mm, glabrous. Berry pale yellow, globose, >>>>> 2-3 cm in >>>>> >> diam. Seeds brown, lenticular, 2-2.8 mm in diam. Fl. Jun-Aug, fr. >>>>> Jun-Oct. >>>>> >> >>>>> >> Wastelands, grasslands, thickets, open forests, along ditches, >>>>> roadsides; >>>>> >> 1400-2200 m. E Xizang (Zaya Xian), Yunnan [widespread in tropical >>>>> Asia and >>>>> >> Africa]. >>>>> >> >>>>> >> 8. Solanum anguivi Lam., Tabl. Encycl. 2:23. 1794. Hepper, Bot. J. >>>>> Linn. >>>>> >> Soc. 76:290. 1978. >>>>> >> >>>>> >> YASIN J. NASIR >>>>> >> >>>>> >> A prickly undershrub, 1.5-2 m tall, with dense stellate-tomentose >>>>> parts. >>>>> >> Prickles up to 10 mm long, erect to slightly recurved. Leaves 4-15 x >>>>> 3.5-9 >>>>> >> cm, ovate to oblong-ovate, repand, acute, both surfaces stellately >>>>> hairy and >>>>> >> prickly on the nerves. Petiole up to 2.5 cm long. Flowers 4-15 in >>>>> number, >>>>> >> bluish-purple, in extra-axillary cymes. Calyx ± 4 mm long, >>>>> campanulate, >>>>> >> stellately hairy. Corolla limb 18-20 mm broad; lobes acute. Anthers >>>>> 6-7 mm >>>>> >> long; filaments glabrous. Ovary and style pilose-pubescent. Berry >>>>> globose, >>>>> >> (5-)8-10 mm broad, glabrescent, yellow. Seeds ± 3 mm long, >>>>> subreniform, >>>>> >> minutely reticulate, foveolate. >>>>> >> >>>>> >> Fl. Per.: Mostly throughout the year. >>>>> >> >>>>> >> Type: Described from Madagascar, Commerson (MPU, syntype P). >>>>> >> >>>>> >> Distribution: S. & S. E. Asia, Arabia and tropical Africa. >>>>> >> >>>>> >> Solanum viarum >>>>> >> Solanum anguivi >>>>> >> >>>>> >> Prickcle on stem recurved or needle-like prickles up >>>>> to 10 >>>>> >> mm long, >>>>> >> >>>>> >> up to 5 mm long >>>>> >> slightly recurved.or erect >>>>> >> >>>>> >> Petiole 3-7 cm, with flat straight prickles Petiole >>>>> up to >>>>> >> 2.5 cm, >>>>> >> >>>>> >> Leaves unequal pairs, 3-5 lobed >>>>> Leaves >>>>> >> oblong-ovate, repand >>>>> >> >>>>> >> Flowers in 1-5 fld racemes >>>>> Flowers >>>>> >> 4-15, in extraaxillary cymes, >>>>> >> >>>>> >> white or green >>>>> >> flowers bluish-purple >>>>> >> >>>>> >> Berry glabrous, pale yellow, 2-3 cm Berry >>>>> >> glabrous, yellow, 8-10 mm >>>>> >> >>>>> >> http://www.efloras.org/object_page.aspx?object_id=86826&flora_id=5 >>>>> >> >>>>> >> I would go with S. viarum on the basis of longer petioles and >>>>> prickles on >>>>> >> leaf surface. >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> -- >>>>> >> Dr. Gurcharan Singh >>>>> >> Retired Associate Professor >>>>> >> SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 >>>>> >> Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. >>>>> >> Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 >>>>> >> http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> On Sat, Mar 6, 2010 at 9:42 AM, tanay bose <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> DEAR ALL, >>>>> >>> Please let us come into a decision regarding the specific epithet >>>>> of this >>>>> >>> particular plant. Let us all supplement our responses with >>>>> morphological >>>>> >>> points; i.e why you call calling this plant belonging to the >>>>> partical >>>>> >>> species of Solanum sp [ diagonistic feature of the species]. It >>>>> will help us >>>>> >>> all to get into a conclusion and decipher the cprrect name of the >>>>> plant. >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> Regards >>>>> >>> Tanay >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> On Sat, Mar 6, 2010 at 2:39 AM, R. Vijayasankar >>>>> >>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> Hi, this is Solanum indicum (= S. anguivi), i think (to be >>>>> different!!). >>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 10:15 AM, Yazdy Palia < >>>>> [email protected]> >>>>> >>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Dear friends, >>>>> >>>>> I think this is Solanum Viarum Dunal >>>>> >>>>> Please go through the link below. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> http://www.discoverlife.org/mp/20q?search=Solanum+viarum&burl=http:/http:/www.invasivespeciesinfo.gov&btxt=InvasiveSpeciesInfo.gov >>>>> >>>>> Regards >>>>> >>>>> Yazdy Palia. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 1:54 PM, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> > Forwarding again for Id assistance pl. >>>>> >>>>> > >>>>> >>>>> > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >>>>> >>>>> > From: sibdas ghosh <[email protected]> >>>>> >>>>> > Date: 5 February 2010 20:38 >>>>> >>>>> > Subject: [efloraofindia:27272] A Solanum sp >>>>> >>>>> > To: indiantreepix <[email protected]> >>>>> >>>>> > >>>>> >>>>> > >>>>> >>>>> > A Solanum (wild), i.d. requested >>>>> >>>>> > From Pingla, Midnapore, W.B. >>>>> >>>>> > >>>>> >>>>> > -- >>>>> >>>>> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the >>>>> Google >>>>> >>>>> > Groups >>>>> >>>>> > "efloraofindia" group. >>>>> >>>>> > To post to this group, send email to >>>>> [email protected]. >>>>> >>>>> > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>> >>>>> > [email protected]<indiantreepix%[email protected]> >>>>> . >>>>> >>>>> > For more options, visit this group at >>>>> >>>>> > http://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix?hl=en. >>>>> >>>>> > >>>>> >>>>> > >>>>> >>>>> > >>>>> >>>>> > >>>>> >>>>> > -- >>>>> >>>>> > With regards, >>>>> >>>>> > J.M.Garg ([email protected]) >>>>> >>>>> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jmgarg1 >>>>> >>>>> > 'Creating awareness of Indian Flora & Fauna' >>>>> >>>>> > Image Resource of more than a thousand species of Birds, >>>>> Butterflies, >>>>> >>>>> > Plants >>>>> >>>>> > etc. (arranged alphabetically & place-wise): >>>>> >>>>> > http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:J.M.Garg >>>>> >>>>> > For learning about Indian Flora, visit/ join Google e-group- >>>>> >>>>> > Efloraofindia:http://groups.google.co.in/group/indiantreepix >>>>> >>>>> > >>>>> >>>>> > -- >>>>> >>>>> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the >>>>> Google >>>>> >>>>> > Groups >>>>> >>>>> > "efloraofindia" group. >>>>> >>>>> > To post to this group, send email to >>>>> [email protected]. >>>>> >>>>> > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>> >>>>> > [email protected]<indiantreepix%[email protected]> >>>>> . >>>>> >>>>> > For more options, visit this group at >>>>> >>>>> > http://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix?hl=en. >>>>> >>>>> > >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the >>>>> Google >>>>> >>>>> Groups "efloraofindia" group. >>>>> >>>>> To post to this group, send email to >>>>> [email protected]. >>>>> >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>> >>>>> [email protected]<indiantreepix%[email protected]> >>>>> . >>>>> >>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>> >>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix?hl=en. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> -- >>>>> >>>> With regards >>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> R. 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