Tanay You seem to be getting confused with long thread. First photo is same as first in original set above, only that flower is clearly seen. As Sibdas ji has pointed out ( and earlier Vijayasankar ji) it is S. anguivi. Third one seems to be S. viarum, as suggested by Sibdas ji. Second one with highly dissected leaves and paniculate white flowers is definitely not S. xanthocarpum(S.surratense correct name S. virginianum). This perhaps is still unidentified and needs further critical examination.
-- Dr. Gurcharan Singh Retired Associate Professor SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ On Sun, Mar 7, 2010 at 9:03 PM, tanay bose <[email protected]> wrote: > Dear Sibdas da, > attached photo is of 2 different plant first and last one is of Solanum > torvum (100_1031 JPG & 100_1137-1.JPG) and the middle one is S surattense > (100-1137-1) . please see the leaf morphology and you will understand that i > am correct . > regards > tanay > On Sun, Mar 7, 2010 at 8:54 PM, sibdas ghosh <[email protected]>wrote: > >> Taking the clue from Gurcharanji, I am attaching some more photos, >> one of them (100_1031 JPG) was sent earlier which I labeled as >> S.xanthocarpum/ surattense, but did not get any response from others. The >> other (100-1137-1) was also sent earlier . It was identified as S.viarum. >> If that is a viarum, the present one is likely anguivi- waiting comment from >> Gurcharanji- Sibdas Ghosh >> >> On 6 March 2010 23:36, R. Vijayasankar <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Dear all, >>> The flowers in Solanum viarum Dunal are usually *white* and the fruits >>> (small wild brinjals,some *3 cm* across?) are used as vegetable by local >>> people in TN. Plants are smaller when compare to S. anguivi (= S. indicum). >>> So the pictures shared by Sibdas ji must be *Solanum anguivi* (shrub >>> 1-1.5 m high, with fruits of about 1 cm) and not S. viarum. He may like to >>> provide more pictures for better understanding. >>> >>> check these links: http://www.fleppc.org/ID_book/solanum%20viarum.pdf >>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Solanum_viarum_2132028.jpg & >>> http://www.forestryimages.org/search/action.cfm?q=Solanum%20viarum >>> >>> On Sat, Mar 6, 2010 at 11:29 AM, Yazdy Palia <[email protected]>wrote: >>> >>>> Dear Friends, >>>> I am not very sure now, because since posting my last mail, I have >>>> seen pictures of ripe fruits that are yellow in colour, but the >>>> fruits I have seen in my farm is of fruits that are red in colour. >>>> We may have to wait a while and study a bit more. >>>> Regards >>>> Yazdy Palia. >>>> >>>> On Sat, Mar 6, 2010 at 12:24 PM, tanay bose <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> > Dear All, >>>> > On the basis of the relevant taxonomic characters discussed by Yazdy >>>> Ji & >>>> > Gurcharan Ji we all can come into a positive conclusion that "The >>>> plant in >>>> > the attached photographs belong to the genus Solanum sp and its >>>> specific >>>> > epithet is Solanum viarum". I personally thank all of you for taking >>>> the >>>> > tedious effort and well planned techniques to decipher the name of >>>> this long >>>> > discussed plant from West Bengal brought into our notice by Mr. Sibdas >>>> > Ghosh. >>>> > >>>> > THANKS TO ALL >>>> > >>>> > Regards, >>>> > Tanay Bose. >>>> > >>>> > On Sat, Mar 6, 2010 at 11:55 AM, Gurcharan Singh <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >> >>>> >> I have the following observations >>>> >> The plant can't be Solanum xanthocarpum which has subsequently been >>>> named >>>> >> as S. surattense and now correctly as S. virginianum, because that >>>> plant is >>>> >> a small spreading subshrub with leaves not velvety. >>>> >> The name S. indicum applied to Indian plants is not valid. Some of >>>> Indian >>>> >> Plants i.e. S. indicum auct with glabrous fruits is correctly S. >>>> anguivi, S. >>>> >> indicum L. now correctly known as lasiocarpum has tomentose berries. >>>> >> S. verbascifolium L. now correctly known as S. erianthum has >>>> unarmed >>>> >> stems and leaves. >>>> >> I think the toss is between S. viarum and S. anguivi: >>>> >> >>>> >> Solanum viarum Dunal in A. de Candolle, Prodr. 13(1): 240. 1852 >>>> >> >>>> >> Syn: Solanum khasianum C. B. Clarke var. chatterjeeanum Sen Gupta. >>>> >> >>>> >> Herbs or subshrubs, erect, 0.5-1(-2) m tall, armed, minutely >>>> tomentose >>>> >> with many-celled, simple, mostly glandular hairs. Stems and branches >>>> terete, >>>> >> densely and evenly pubescent with many-celled, simple hairs to 1 mm, >>>> armed >>>> >> with recurved prickles 2-5 × 1-5(-8) mm and sometimes with needlelike >>>> >> prickles 1-4 mm. Leaves unequal paired; petiole stout 3-7 cm, armed >>>> with >>>> >> erect, flat straight prickles 0.3-1.8 cm; leaf blade broadly ovate, >>>> 6-13 × >>>> >> 6-12 cm, with prickles and coarse, many-celled, glandular simple >>>> hairs on >>>> >> both surfaces, these mixed with sparse, sessile, stellate hairs >>>> abaxially, >>>> >> base truncate to short hastate, margin 3-5-lobed or -parted; lobes >>>> blunt at >>>> >> apex. Inflorescences extra-axillary, subfasciculate, 1-5-flowered >>>> racemes; >>>> >> peduncle obsolete or short. Flowers andromonoecious, only basal ones >>>> >> fertile. Pedicel 4-6 mm. Calyx campanulate, ca. 10 × 7 mm, lobes >>>> >> oblong-lanceolate, 0.6-1.2 mm, hairy and sometimes prickly abaxially. >>>> >> Corolla white or green; lobes lanceolate, ca. 2.5 × 10 mm, pubescent >>>> as on >>>> >> calyx. Filaments 1-1.5 mm; anthers lanceolate, acuminate, 6-7 mm. >>>> Ovary >>>> >> puberulent. Style ca. 8 mm, glabrous. Berry pale yellow, globose, 2-3 >>>> cm in >>>> >> diam. Seeds brown, lenticular, 2-2.8 mm in diam. Fl. Jun-Aug, fr. >>>> Jun-Oct. >>>> >> >>>> >> Wastelands, grasslands, thickets, open forests, along ditches, >>>> roadsides; >>>> >> 1400-2200 m. E Xizang (Zaya Xian), Yunnan [widespread in tropical >>>> Asia and >>>> >> Africa]. >>>> >> >>>> >> 8. Solanum anguivi Lam., Tabl. Encycl. 2:23. 1794. Hepper, Bot. J. >>>> Linn. >>>> >> Soc. 76:290. 1978. >>>> >> >>>> >> YASIN J. NASIR >>>> >> >>>> >> A prickly undershrub, 1.5-2 m tall, with dense stellate-tomentose >>>> parts. >>>> >> Prickles up to 10 mm long, erect to slightly recurved. Leaves 4-15 x >>>> 3.5-9 >>>> >> cm, ovate to oblong-ovate, repand, acute, both surfaces stellately >>>> hairy and >>>> >> prickly on the nerves. Petiole up to 2.5 cm long. Flowers 4-15 in >>>> number, >>>> >> bluish-purple, in extra-axillary cymes. Calyx ± 4 mm long, >>>> campanulate, >>>> >> stellately hairy. Corolla limb 18-20 mm broad; lobes acute. Anthers >>>> 6-7 mm >>>> >> long; filaments glabrous. Ovary and style pilose-pubescent. Berry >>>> globose, >>>> >> (5-)8-10 mm broad, glabrescent, yellow. Seeds ± 3 mm long, >>>> subreniform, >>>> >> minutely reticulate, foveolate. >>>> >> >>>> >> Fl. Per.: Mostly throughout the year. >>>> >> >>>> >> Type: Described from Madagascar, Commerson (MPU, syntype P). >>>> >> >>>> >> Distribution: S. & S. E. Asia, Arabia and tropical Africa. >>>> >> >>>> >> Solanum viarum >>>> >> Solanum anguivi >>>> >> >>>> >> Prickcle on stem recurved or needle-like prickles up >>>> to 10 >>>> >> mm long, >>>> >> >>>> >> up to 5 mm long >>>> >> slightly recurved.or erect >>>> >> >>>> >> Petiole 3-7 cm, with flat straight prickles Petiole >>>> up to >>>> >> 2.5 cm, >>>> >> >>>> >> Leaves unequal pairs, 3-5 lobed Leaves >>>> >> oblong-ovate, repand >>>> >> >>>> >> Flowers in 1-5 fld racemes >>>> Flowers >>>> >> 4-15, in extraaxillary cymes, >>>> >> >>>> >> white or green >>>> >> flowers bluish-purple >>>> >> >>>> >> Berry glabrous, pale yellow, 2-3 cm Berry >>>> >> glabrous, yellow, 8-10 mm >>>> >> >>>> >> http://www.efloras.org/object_page.aspx?object_id=86826&flora_id=5 >>>> >> >>>> >> I would go with S. viarum on the basis of longer petioles and >>>> prickles on >>>> >> leaf surface. >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> -- >>>> >> Dr. Gurcharan Singh >>>> >> Retired Associate Professor >>>> >> SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 >>>> >> Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. >>>> >> Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 >>>> >> http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> On Sat, Mar 6, 2010 at 9:42 AM, tanay bose <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>> >>>> >>> DEAR ALL, >>>> >>> Please let us come into a decision regarding the specific epithet of >>>> this >>>> >>> particular plant. Let us all supplement our responses with >>>> morphological >>>> >>> points; i.e why you call calling this plant belonging to the >>>> partical >>>> >>> species of Solanum sp [ diagonistic feature of the species]. It will >>>> help us >>>> >>> all to get into a conclusion and decipher the cprrect name of the >>>> plant. >>>> >>> >>>> >>> Regards >>>> >>> Tanay >>>> >>> >>>> >>> On Sat, Mar 6, 2010 at 2:39 AM, R. Vijayasankar >>>> >>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Hi, this is Solanum indicum (= S. anguivi), i think (to be >>>> different!!). >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 10:15 AM, Yazdy Palia <[email protected] >>>> > >>>> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>> Dear friends, >>>> >>>>> I think this is Solanum Viarum Dunal >>>> >>>>> Please go through the link below. >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> http://www.discoverlife.org/mp/20q?search=Solanum+viarum&burl=http:/http:/www.invasivespeciesinfo.gov&btxt=InvasiveSpeciesInfo.gov >>>> >>>>> Regards >>>> >>>>> Yazdy Palia. >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>> On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 1:54 PM, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> > Forwarding again for Id assistance pl. >>>> >>>>> > >>>> >>>>> > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >>>> >>>>> > From: sibdas ghosh <[email protected]> >>>> >>>>> > Date: 5 February 2010 20:38 >>>> >>>>> > Subject: [efloraofindia:27272] A Solanum sp >>>> >>>>> > To: indiantreepix <[email protected]> >>>> >>>>> > >>>> >>>>> > >>>> >>>>> > A Solanum (wild), i.d. requested >>>> >>>>> > From Pingla, Midnapore, W.B. >>>> >>>>> > >>>> >>>>> > -- >>>> >>>>> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the >>>> Google >>>> >>>>> > Groups >>>> >>>>> > "efloraofindia" group. >>>> >>>>> > To post to this group, send email to >>>> [email protected]. >>>> >>>>> > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>> >>>>> > [email protected]<indiantreepix%[email protected]> >>>> . >>>> >>>>> > For more options, visit this group at >>>> >>>>> > http://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix?hl=en. >>>> >>>>> > >>>> >>>>> > >>>> >>>>> > >>>> >>>>> > >>>> >>>>> > -- >>>> >>>>> > With regards, >>>> >>>>> > J.M.Garg ([email protected]) >>>> >>>>> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jmgarg1 >>>> >>>>> > 'Creating awareness of Indian Flora & Fauna' >>>> >>>>> > Image Resource of more than a thousand species of Birds, >>>> Butterflies, >>>> >>>>> > Plants >>>> >>>>> > etc. (arranged alphabetically & place-wise): >>>> >>>>> > http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:J.M.Garg >>>> >>>>> > For learning about Indian Flora, visit/ join Google e-group- >>>> >>>>> > Efloraofindia:http://groups.google.co.in/group/indiantreepix >>>> >>>>> > >>>> >>>>> > -- >>>> >>>>> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the >>>> Google >>>> >>>>> > Groups >>>> >>>>> > "efloraofindia" group. >>>> >>>>> > To post to this group, send email to >>>> [email protected]. >>>> >>>>> > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>> >>>>> > [email protected]<indiantreepix%[email protected]> >>>> . >>>> >>>>> > For more options, visit this group at >>>> >>>>> > http://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix?hl=en. >>>> >>>>> > >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>> -- >>>> >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> >>>>> Groups "efloraofindia" group. >>>> >>>>> To post to this group, send email to >>>> [email protected]. >>>> >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>> >>>>> [email protected]<indiantreepix%[email protected]> >>>> . >>>> >>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>> >>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix?hl=en. >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> >>>> With regards >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> R. Vijayasankar >>>> >>>> National Center for Natural Products Research, >>>> >>>> The University of Mississippi, >>>> >>>> Oxford, MS-38677, USA. >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> -- >>>> >>> Tanay Bose >>>> >>> +91(033) 25550676 (Resi) >>>> >>> 9830439691(Mobile) >>>> >>> 9674221362 (Mobile) >>>> >>> >>>> >>> -- >>>> >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups >>>> >>> "efloraofindia" group. >>>> >>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected] >>>> . >>>> >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>> >>> [email protected]<indiantreepix%[email protected]> >>>> . >>>> >>> For more options, visit this group at >>>> >>> http://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix?hl=en. >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > -- >>>> > Tanay Bose >>>> > +91(033) 25550676 (Resi) >>>> > 9830439691(Mobile) >>>> > 9674221362 (Mobile) >>>> > >>>> > >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> With regards >>> >>> R. Vijayasankar >>> National Center for Natural Products Research, >>> The University of Mississippi, >>> Oxford, MS-38677, USA. >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> sibdas ghosh >> > > > > -- > Tanay Bose > +91(033) 25550676 (Resi) > 9830439691(Mobile) > 9674221362 (Mobile) > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "efloraofindia" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix?hl=en.
