Thanks a lot, Singh ji, for clarity. On 7 February 2018 at 12:25, Gurcharan Singh <[email protected]> wrote:
> When I would start my lecture with a new class, I would start with > "Identification and Nomenclature are two very different things".It is > important that our plant is correctly identified, nomenclature is a > secondary aspect especially in modern electronic era. There was a time when > two volume Index Kewensis was Nomenclature Bible and none could ignore it, > but there also the practice of accepted names was discontinued in all > Supplements published during 20th century. We were very optimistic when TPL > was initiated with collaboration of several Institutes with Kew, but > unfortunately it has more confusions with often multiple accepted names, > binomials with no synonyms (not even Basionym) and so on. To make matters > worse major databases like TPL, GRIN don't agree on many names. It is best > for us to concentrate on correct Id and don't bother much with accepted > name as they keep on changing so fast. > > On Feb 7, 2018 11:36, "J.M. Garg" <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Thanks, Pankaj ji. >> >> On 07-Feb-2018 4:56 AM, "Pankaj Kumar" <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Ok I see that on googlesites of eflora its writen the other way, which >>> is wrong!! Sorry.... >>> >>> On Wed, Feb 7, 2018 at 7:05 AM, Pankaj Kumar <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Its funny but the whole discussion here is wrong. >>>> Taxonomy is an opinion and its the opinion that changes and not the >>>> taxonomy. Its an art which different people understand differently. >>>> Why this discussion is funny, because: >>>> 2.The efloraofindia site lists *Cleome viscosa *as a synonym of* Arivela >>>> viscosa* >>>> Ref:https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/a-- >>>> -l/cl/cleomaceae/arivela/cleome-viscosa >>>> >>>> NO ITS NOT TRUE ON MY SCREEN. I SEE ARIVELA VISCOA AS SYNONYM OF CLEOME >>>> VISCOSA >>>> >>>> 3.The Plant List reckons *Arivela viscosa* and *Cleome viscosa *as >>>> distinct from each other*.* >>>> Ref - http://www.theplantlist.org/tpl1.1/search?q=cleome+viscosa >>>> Ref - http://www.theplantlist.org/tpl1.1/search?q=cleome+viscosa >>>> >>>> NO ITS NOT TRUE, I SEE ARIVELA VISCOA AS SYNONYM OF CLEOME VISCOSA >>>> >>>> Yes to me your plant does look like Cleome viscosa L. (Syn: Arivela >>>> viscosa (L.) Raf.). >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wed, Feb 7, 2018 at 2:29 AM, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Thanks, Lalithamba ji. >>>>> >>>>> On 06-Feb-2018 8:40 PM, "Lalithamba Avadhanam" <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> The Plant is Cleome viscosa L., >>>>>> Regarding name change, after some review by a taxonomist the names >>>>>> may be changed; it is a continuous process, hence many plants of so many >>>>>> synonyms, As Garg ji said, we have to apply our mind; or if we write the >>>>>> old name it should be written with author's name and publication, it is >>>>>> not >>>>>> a great error not to know the ever changing names, for we are accustomed >>>>>> to >>>>>> use one name for so many years! >>>>>> Thank you >>>>>> regards >>>>>> A.Lalithamba >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, Feb 6, 2018 at 6:47 PM, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> No single source is the best option. We have to apply our mind to >>>>>>> each and every taxon and take our decision according. Accepted name of a >>>>>>> taxon keep on changing as you can see from time to time and from one >>>>>>> flora >>>>>>> to another flora. There are lot of reasons for that. Like some >>>>>>> taxonomist >>>>>>> splits a genus into many genera resulting in species moving to these >>>>>>> different genera. Another taxonomist in future may lump them again into >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> same genus. Taxonomy is constantly changing with every new publication. >>>>>>> As >>>>>>> long as we identify a plant correctly, we should be happy without >>>>>>> worrying >>>>>>> if the name is an accepted name or a synonym. I think in the age of >>>>>>> search, >>>>>>> we should be quite comfortable with it. >>>>>>> Sometimes I do not change to the current names given in say >>>>>>> Catalogue of Life, as we have keys of these species only as per the old >>>>>>> nomenclature and we are quite used to these names. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 06-Feb-2018 4:05 PM, "Saroj Kumar Kasaju" <[email protected]> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Earlier I was following the CofL but some one suggested ( I forgot >>>>>>>> the name ) >>>>>>>> that the PL is better option. However, I guess we should follow the >>>>>>>> CofL for ID >>>>>>>> now on wards. But I found some ID completely different in the CofL. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Tuesday, February 6, 2018 at 6:23:53 AM UTC+5:45, JM Garg wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> We can check what Catalogue of Life says which has been updated >>>>>>>>> recently and appears to be much better than The Plant List. The Plant >>>>>>>>> List >>>>>>>>> was based on fixed data provided to them in 2012 by various service >>>>>>>>> providers like WCSP etc. The underlined never changed after that. On >>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>> other hand data in Catalogue is changed on day to day basis and is >>>>>>>>> based on >>>>>>>>> latest sources. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 05-Feb-2018 10:06 PM, "tsp kumar" <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> 2.The efloraofindia site lists *Cleome viscosa *as a synonym of* >>>>>>>>>> Arivela >>>>>>>>>> viscosa* >>>>>>>>>> Ref:https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/a-- >>>>>>>>>> -l/cl/cleomaceae/arivela/cleome-viscosa >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> 3.The Plant List reckons *Arivela viscosa* and *Cleome viscosa *as >>>>>>>>>> distinct from each other*.* >>>>>>>>>> Ref - http://www.theplantlist.org >>>>>>>>>> /tpl1.1/search?q=cleome+viscosa >>>>>>>>>> Ref - http://www.theplantlist.org/tpl1.1/search?q=Arivela >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> This ambiguity needs to be cleared. >>>>>>>>>> regards >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Feb 4, 2018 at 9:28 PM, tsp kumar <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Thanks Prashant ji for the lead. >>>>>>>>>>> regards >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Feb 4, 2018 at 9:20 PM, Prashant Awale < >>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Looks like Cleome viscosa .. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Regards >>>>>>>>>>>> Prashant >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Feb 4, 2018 at 9:16 PM, tsp kumar <[email protected] >>>>>>>>>>>> > wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear friends, >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Kindly examine and identify this plant. Could this be a *Cleome >>>>>>>>>>>>> *sp.....? >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Habit: Herb >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Habitat: Wild,Wasteland by a roadside >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Sighting: Tumkur,Karnataka,about 800 msl >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Date: 05-07-2016 >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks and regards >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> tspkumar >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Deputy Conservator of Forests (R) >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Tumkur,Karnataka >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Ph:9880571585 <098805%2071585> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> *“We have not inherited this planet from our forefathers, we >>>>>>>>>>>>> have borrowed it from our children”-An American proverb* >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the >>>>>>>>>>>>> Google Groups "efloraofindia" group. >>>>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from >>>>>>>>>>>>> it, send an email to indiantreepix+unsubscribe@goog >>>>>>>>>>>>> legroups.com. >>>>>>>>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to >>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]. >>>>>>>>>>>>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/grou >>>>>>>>>>>>> p/indiantreepix. >>>>>>>>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the >>>>>>>>>> Google Groups "efloraofindia" group. >>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>>>>>> send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to >>>>>>>>>> [email protected]. >>>>>>>>>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix >>>>>>>>>> . >>>>>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>>> Groups "efloraofindia" group. >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>>>> send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected] >>>>>>>> . >>>>>>>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix. >>>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>> Groups "ITPmods" group. >>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>>> send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>>>>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/itpmods. >>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>> Groups "efloraofindia" group. >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>> send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>>>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix. >>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>> Groups "ITPmods" group. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>>> an email to [email protected]. >>>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/itpmods. >>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> ************************************************************ >>>> ********************************************************** >>>> *Pankaj Kumar*, Ph.D. >>>> *IUCN-SSC Orchid Specialist Group Asia* >>>> >>>> *Office*: >>>> >>>> Conservation Officer >>>> >>>> Orchid Conservation Section >>>> >>>> Flora Conservation Department >>>> >>>> Kadoorie Farm and Botanic Garden (KFBG) Corporation >>>> Lam Kam Road, Tai Po, New Territories, Hong Kong. >>>> >>>> *Residence*: >>>> House no. 39, 2nd Floor, Shui Wo Tsuen >>>> Lam Tsuen, Tai Po, New Territories, Hong Kong. >>>> *email*: [email protected]; 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