Gurcharan sir, to add to more confusion they are going to start an all new PLANTS OF THE WORLD website..... I argued with them why they dont work on Checklist or Plant List and make them perfect instead. I got a shocking response, "BECAUSE EVERY DIRECTOR AT KEW WANTS TO LEAVE HIS OWN MARK AT KEW".
On Wed, Feb 7, 2018 at 3:10 PM, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: > Thanks a lot, Singh ji, for clarity. > > On 7 February 2018 at 12:25, Gurcharan Singh <[email protected]> wrote: > >> When I would start my lecture with a new class, I would start with >> "Identification and Nomenclature are two very different things".It is >> important that our plant is correctly identified, nomenclature is a >> secondary aspect especially in modern electronic era. There was a time when >> two volume Index Kewensis was Nomenclature Bible and none could ignore it, >> but there also the practice of accepted names was discontinued in all >> Supplements published during 20th century. We were very optimistic when TPL >> was initiated with collaboration of several Institutes with Kew, but >> unfortunately it has more confusions with often multiple accepted names, >> binomials with no synonyms (not even Basionym) and so on. To make matters >> worse major databases like TPL, GRIN don't agree on many names. It is best >> for us to concentrate on correct Id and don't bother much with accepted >> name as they keep on changing so fast. >> >> On Feb 7, 2018 11:36, "J.M. Garg" <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Thanks, Pankaj ji. >>> >>> On 07-Feb-2018 4:56 AM, "Pankaj Kumar" <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Ok I see that on googlesites of eflora its writen the other way, which >>>> is wrong!! Sorry.... >>>> >>>> On Wed, Feb 7, 2018 at 7:05 AM, Pankaj Kumar <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Its funny but the whole discussion here is wrong. >>>>> Taxonomy is an opinion and its the opinion that changes and not the >>>>> taxonomy. Its an art which different people understand differently. >>>>> Why this discussion is funny, because: >>>>> 2.The efloraofindia site lists *Cleome viscosa *as a synonym of* Arivela >>>>> viscosa* >>>>> Ref:https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/a-- >>>>> -l/cl/cleomaceae/arivela/cleome-viscosa >>>>> >>>>> NO ITS NOT TRUE ON MY SCREEN. I SEE ARIVELA VISCOA AS SYNONYM OF >>>>> CLEOME VISCOSA >>>>> >>>>> 3.The Plant List reckons *Arivela viscosa* and *Cleome viscosa *as >>>>> distinct from each other*.* >>>>> Ref - http://www.theplantlist.org/tpl1.1/search?q=cleome+viscosa >>>>> Ref - http://www.theplantlist.org/tpl1.1/search?q=cleome+viscosa >>>>> >>>>> NO ITS NOT TRUE, I SEE ARIVELA VISCOA AS SYNONYM OF CLEOME VISCOSA >>>>> >>>>> Yes to me your plant does look like Cleome viscosa L. (Syn: Arivela >>>>> viscosa (L.) Raf.). >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, Feb 7, 2018 at 2:29 AM, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Thanks, Lalithamba ji. >>>>>> >>>>>> On 06-Feb-2018 8:40 PM, "Lalithamba Avadhanam" <[email protected]> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> The Plant is Cleome viscosa L., >>>>>>> Regarding name change, after some review by a taxonomist the names >>>>>>> may be changed; it is a continuous process, hence many plants of so many >>>>>>> synonyms, As Garg ji said, we have to apply our mind; or if we write the >>>>>>> old name it should be written with author's name and publication, it is >>>>>>> not >>>>>>> a great error not to know the ever changing names, for we are >>>>>>> accustomed to >>>>>>> use one name for so many years! >>>>>>> Thank you >>>>>>> regards >>>>>>> A.Lalithamba >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Tue, Feb 6, 2018 at 6:47 PM, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> No single source is the best option. We have to apply our mind to >>>>>>>> each and every taxon and take our decision according. Accepted name of >>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>> taxon keep on changing as you can see from time to time and from one >>>>>>>> flora >>>>>>>> to another flora. There are lot of reasons for that. Like some >>>>>>>> taxonomist >>>>>>>> splits a genus into many genera resulting in species moving to these >>>>>>>> different genera. Another taxonomist in future may lump them again >>>>>>>> into the >>>>>>>> same genus. Taxonomy is constantly changing with every new >>>>>>>> publication. As >>>>>>>> long as we identify a plant correctly, we should be happy without >>>>>>>> worrying >>>>>>>> if the name is an accepted name or a synonym. I think in the age of >>>>>>>> search, >>>>>>>> we should be quite comfortable with it. >>>>>>>> Sometimes I do not change to the current names given in say >>>>>>>> Catalogue of Life, as we have keys of these species only as per the old >>>>>>>> nomenclature and we are quite used to these names. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 06-Feb-2018 4:05 PM, "Saroj Kumar Kasaju" <[email protected]> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Earlier I was following the CofL but some one suggested ( I forgot >>>>>>>>> the name ) >>>>>>>>> that the PL is better option. However, I guess we should follow >>>>>>>>> the CofL for ID >>>>>>>>> now on wards. But I found some ID completely different in the CofL. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, February 6, 2018 at 6:23:53 AM UTC+5:45, JM Garg wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> We can check what Catalogue of Life says which has been updated >>>>>>>>>> recently and appears to be much better than The Plant List. The >>>>>>>>>> Plant List >>>>>>>>>> was based on fixed data provided to them in 2012 by various service >>>>>>>>>> providers like WCSP etc. The underlined never changed after that. On >>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>> other hand data in Catalogue is changed on day to day basis and is >>>>>>>>>> based on >>>>>>>>>> latest sources. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On 05-Feb-2018 10:06 PM, "tsp kumar" <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> 2.The efloraofindia site lists *Cleome viscosa *as a synonym of* >>>>>>>>>>> Arivela >>>>>>>>>>> viscosa* >>>>>>>>>>> Ref:https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/a-- >>>>>>>>>>> -l/cl/cleomaceae/arivela/cleome-viscosa >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> 3.The Plant List reckons *Arivela viscosa* and *Cleome viscosa *as >>>>>>>>>>> distinct from each other*.* >>>>>>>>>>> Ref - http://www.theplantlist.org >>>>>>>>>>> /tpl1.1/search?q=cleome+viscosa >>>>>>>>>>> Ref - http://www.theplantlist.org/tpl1.1/search?q=Arivela >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> This ambiguity needs to be cleared. >>>>>>>>>>> regards >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Feb 4, 2018 at 9:28 PM, tsp kumar <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks Prashant ji for the lead. >>>>>>>>>>>> regards >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Feb 4, 2018 at 9:20 PM, Prashant Awale < >>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Looks like Cleome viscosa .. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards >>>>>>>>>>>>> Prashant >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Feb 4, 2018 at 9:16 PM, tsp kumar < >>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear friends, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kindly examine and identify this plant. Could this be a *Cleome >>>>>>>>>>>>>> *sp.....? >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Habit: Herb >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Habitat: Wild,Wasteland by a roadside >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sighting: Tumkur,Karnataka,about 800 msl >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Date: 05-07-2016 >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks and regards >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> tspkumar >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Deputy Conservator of Forests (R) >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tumkur,Karnataka >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ph:9880571585 <098805%2071585> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> *“We have not inherited this planet from our forefathers, we >>>>>>>>>>>>>> have borrowed it from our children”-An American proverb* >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Google Groups "efloraofindia" group. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from >>>>>>>>>>>>>> it, send an email to indiantreepix+unsubscribe@goog >>>>>>>>>>>>>> legroups.com. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to >>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/grou >>>>>>>>>>>>>> p/indiantreepix. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the >>>>>>>>>>> Google Groups "efloraofindia" group. >>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from >>>>>>>>>>> it, send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to >>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]. >>>>>>>>>>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/grou >>>>>>>>>>> p/indiantreepix. >>>>>>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>>>> Groups "efloraofindia" group. >>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>>>>> send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to >>>>>>>>> [email protected]. >>>>>>>>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix. >>>>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>>> Groups "ITPmods" group. >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>>>> send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>>>>>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/itpmods. >>>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>> Groups "efloraofindia" group. >>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>>> send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>>>>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix. >>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>> Groups "ITPmods" group. >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>> send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>>>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/itpmods. >>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> ************************************************************ >>>>> ********************************************************** >>>>> *Pankaj Kumar*, Ph.D. >>>>> *IUCN-SSC Orchid Specialist Group Asia* >>>>> >>>>> *Office*: >>>>> >>>>> Conservation Officer >>>>> >>>>> Orchid Conservation Section >>>>> >>>>> Flora Conservation Department >>>>> >>>>> Kadoorie Farm and Botanic Garden (KFBG) Corporation >>>>> Lam Kam Road, Tai Po, New Territories, Hong Kong. >>>>> >>>>> *Residence*: >>>>> House no. 39, 2nd Floor, Shui Wo Tsuen >>>>> Lam Tsuen, Tai Po, New Territories, Hong Kong. >>>>> *email*: [email protected]; 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