When I would start my lecture with a new class, I would start with "Identification and Nomenclature are two very different things".It is important that our plant is correctly identified, nomenclature is a secondary aspect especially in modern electronic era. There was a time when two volume Index Kewensis was Nomenclature Bible and none could ignore it, but there also the practice of accepted names was discontinued in all Supplements published during 20th century. We were very optimistic when TPL was initiated with collaboration of several Institutes with Kew, but unfortunately it has more confusions with often multiple accepted names, binomials with no synonyms (not even Basionym) and so on. To make matters worse major databases like TPL, GRIN don't agree on many names. It is best for us to concentrate on correct Id and don't bother much with accepted name as they keep on changing so fast.
On Feb 7, 2018 11:36, "J.M. Garg" <[email protected]> wrote: > Thanks, Pankaj ji. > > On 07-Feb-2018 4:56 AM, "Pankaj Kumar" <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Ok I see that on googlesites of eflora its writen the other way, which is >> wrong!! Sorry.... >> >> On Wed, Feb 7, 2018 at 7:05 AM, Pankaj Kumar <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> Its funny but the whole discussion here is wrong. >>> Taxonomy is an opinion and its the opinion that changes and not the >>> taxonomy. Its an art which different people understand differently. >>> Why this discussion is funny, because: >>> 2.The efloraofindia site lists *Cleome viscosa *as a synonym of* Arivela >>> viscosa* >>> Ref:https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/a-- >>> -l/cl/cleomaceae/arivela/cleome-viscosa >>> >>> NO ITS NOT TRUE ON MY SCREEN. I SEE ARIVELA VISCOA AS SYNONYM OF CLEOME >>> VISCOSA >>> >>> 3.The Plant List reckons *Arivela viscosa* and *Cleome viscosa *as >>> distinct from each other*.* >>> Ref - http://www.theplantlist.org/tpl1.1/search?q=cleome+viscosa >>> Ref - http://www.theplantlist.org/tpl1.1/search?q=cleome+viscosa >>> >>> NO ITS NOT TRUE, I SEE ARIVELA VISCOA AS SYNONYM OF CLEOME VISCOSA >>> >>> Yes to me your plant does look like Cleome viscosa L. (Syn: Arivela >>> viscosa (L.) Raf.). >>> >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Feb 7, 2018 at 2:29 AM, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Thanks, Lalithamba ji. >>>> >>>> On 06-Feb-2018 8:40 PM, "Lalithamba Avadhanam" <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> The Plant is Cleome viscosa L., >>>>> Regarding name change, after some review by a taxonomist the names may >>>>> be changed; it is a continuous process, hence many plants of so many >>>>> synonyms, As Garg ji said, we have to apply our mind; or if we write the >>>>> old name it should be written with author's name and publication, it is >>>>> not >>>>> a great error not to know the ever changing names, for we are accustomed >>>>> to >>>>> use one name for so many years! >>>>> Thank you >>>>> regards >>>>> A.Lalithamba >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Feb 6, 2018 at 6:47 PM, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> No single source is the best option. We have to apply our mind to >>>>>> each and every taxon and take our decision according. Accepted name of a >>>>>> taxon keep on changing as you can see from time to time and from one >>>>>> flora >>>>>> to another flora. There are lot of reasons for that. Like some taxonomist >>>>>> splits a genus into many genera resulting in species moving to these >>>>>> different genera. Another taxonomist in future may lump them again into >>>>>> the >>>>>> same genus. Taxonomy is constantly changing with every new publication. >>>>>> As >>>>>> long as we identify a plant correctly, we should be happy without >>>>>> worrying >>>>>> if the name is an accepted name or a synonym. I think in the age of >>>>>> search, >>>>>> we should be quite comfortable with it. >>>>>> Sometimes I do not change to the current names given in say Catalogue >>>>>> of Life, as we have keys of these species only as per the old >>>>>> nomenclature >>>>>> and we are quite used to these names. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 06-Feb-2018 4:05 PM, "Saroj Kumar Kasaju" <[email protected]> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Earlier I was following the CofL but some one suggested ( I forgot >>>>>>> the name ) >>>>>>> that the PL is better option. However, I guess we should follow the >>>>>>> CofL for ID >>>>>>> now on wards. But I found some ID completely different in the CofL. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Tuesday, February 6, 2018 at 6:23:53 AM UTC+5:45, JM Garg wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> We can check what Catalogue of Life says which has been updated >>>>>>>> recently and appears to be much better than The Plant List. The Plant >>>>>>>> List >>>>>>>> was based on fixed data provided to them in 2012 by various service >>>>>>>> providers like WCSP etc. The underlined never changed after that. On >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> other hand data in Catalogue is changed on day to day basis and is >>>>>>>> based on >>>>>>>> latest sources. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 05-Feb-2018 10:06 PM, "tsp kumar" <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> 2.The efloraofindia site lists *Cleome viscosa *as a synonym of* >>>>>>>>> Arivela >>>>>>>>> viscosa* >>>>>>>>> Ref:https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/a-- >>>>>>>>> -l/cl/cleomaceae/arivela/cleome-viscosa >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> 3.The Plant List reckons *Arivela viscosa* and *Cleome viscosa *as >>>>>>>>> distinct from each other*.* >>>>>>>>> Ref - http://www.theplantlist.org >>>>>>>>> /tpl1.1/search?q=cleome+viscosa >>>>>>>>> Ref - http://www.theplantlist.org/tpl1.1/search?q=Arivela >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> This ambiguity needs to be cleared. >>>>>>>>> regards >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Sun, Feb 4, 2018 at 9:28 PM, tsp kumar <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Thanks Prashant ji for the lead. >>>>>>>>>> regards >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Feb 4, 2018 at 9:20 PM, Prashant Awale <[email protected] >>>>>>>>>> > wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Looks like Cleome viscosa .. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Regards >>>>>>>>>>> Prashant >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Feb 4, 2018 at 9:16 PM, tsp kumar <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Dear friends, >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Kindly examine and identify this plant. Could this be a *Cleome >>>>>>>>>>>> *sp.....? >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Habit: Herb >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Habitat: Wild,Wasteland by a roadside >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Sighting: Tumkur,Karnataka,about 800 msl >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Date: 05-07-2016 >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks and regards >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> tspkumar >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Deputy Conservator of Forests (R) >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Tumkur,Karnataka >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Ph:9880571585 <098805%2071585> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> *“We have not inherited this planet from our forefathers, we >>>>>>>>>>>> have borrowed it from our children”-An American proverb* >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the >>>>>>>>>>>> Google Groups "efloraofindia" group. >>>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from >>>>>>>>>>>> it, send an email to [email protected] >>>>>>>>>>>> . >>>>>>>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to >>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]. >>>>>>>>>>>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/grou >>>>>>>>>>>> p/indiantreepix. >>>>>>>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>>>> Groups "efloraofindia" group. >>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>>>>> send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to >>>>>>>>> [email protected]. >>>>>>>>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix. >>>>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>> Groups "efloraofindia" group. >>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>>> send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>>>>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix. >>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>> Groups "ITPmods" group. >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>> send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>>>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/itpmods. >>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>> Groups "efloraofindia" group. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>>> an email to [email protected]. >>>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix. >>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "ITPmods" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>> an email to [email protected]. >>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/itpmods. >>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> ************************************************************ >>> ********************************************************** >>> *Pankaj Kumar*, Ph.D. >>> *IUCN-SSC Orchid Specialist Group Asia* >>> >>> *Office*: >>> >>> Conservation Officer >>> >>> Orchid Conservation Section >>> >>> Flora Conservation Department >>> >>> Kadoorie Farm and Botanic Garden (KFBG) Corporation >>> Lam Kam Road, Tai Po, New Territories, Hong Kong. >>> >>> *Residence*: >>> House no. 39, 2nd Floor, Shui Wo Tsuen >>> Lam Tsuen, Tai Po, New Territories, Hong Kong. >>> *email*: [email protected]; 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