It seems the plant world is controlled by the Kew. It would be appreciable if they come up with accuracy!
Thank you. Saroj Kasaju On Wed, Feb 7, 2018 at 4:07 PM, Pankaj Kumar <sahanipan...@gmail.com> wrote: > Gurcharan sir, to add to more confusion they are going to start an all new > PLANTS OF THE WORLD website..... I argued with them why they dont work on > Checklist or Plant List and make them perfect instead. I got a shocking > response, "BECAUSE EVERY DIRECTOR AT KEW WANTS TO LEAVE HIS OWN MARK AT > KEW". > > On Wed, Feb 7, 2018 at 3:10 PM, J.M. Garg <jmga...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Thanks a lot, Singh ji, for clarity. >> >> On 7 February 2018 at 12:25, Gurcharan Singh <singh...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> When I would start my lecture with a new class, I would start with >>> "Identification and Nomenclature are two very different things".It is >>> important that our plant is correctly identified, nomenclature is a >>> secondary aspect especially in modern electronic era. There was a time when >>> two volume Index Kewensis was Nomenclature Bible and none could ignore it, >>> but there also the practice of accepted names was discontinued in all >>> Supplements published during 20th century. We were very optimistic when TPL >>> was initiated with collaboration of several Institutes with Kew, but >>> unfortunately it has more confusions with often multiple accepted names, >>> binomials with no synonyms (not even Basionym) and so on. To make matters >>> worse major databases like TPL, GRIN don't agree on many names. It is best >>> for us to concentrate on correct Id and don't bother much with accepted >>> name as they keep on changing so fast. >>> >>> On Feb 7, 2018 11:36, "J.M. Garg" <jmga...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Thanks, Pankaj ji. >>>> >>>> On 07-Feb-2018 4:56 AM, "Pankaj Kumar" <sahanipan...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Ok I see that on googlesites of eflora its writen the other way, which >>>>> is wrong!! Sorry.... >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, Feb 7, 2018 at 7:05 AM, Pankaj Kumar <sahanipan...@gmail.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Its funny but the whole discussion here is wrong. >>>>>> Taxonomy is an opinion and its the opinion that changes and not the >>>>>> taxonomy. Its an art which different people understand differently. >>>>>> Why this discussion is funny, because: >>>>>> 2.The efloraofindia site lists *Cleome viscosa *as a synonym of* Arivela >>>>>> viscosa* >>>>>> Ref:https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/a-- >>>>>> -l/cl/cleomaceae/arivela/cleome-viscosa >>>>>> >>>>>> NO ITS NOT TRUE ON MY SCREEN. I SEE ARIVELA VISCOA AS SYNONYM OF >>>>>> CLEOME VISCOSA >>>>>> >>>>>> 3.The Plant List reckons *Arivela viscosa* and *Cleome viscosa *as >>>>>> distinct from each other*.* >>>>>> Ref - http://www.theplantlist.org/tpl1.1/search?q=cleome+viscosa >>>>>> Ref - http://www.theplantlist.org/tpl1.1/search?q=cleome+viscosa >>>>>> >>>>>> NO ITS NOT TRUE, I SEE ARIVELA VISCOA AS SYNONYM OF CLEOME VISCOSA >>>>>> >>>>>> Yes to me your plant does look like Cleome viscosa L. (Syn: Arivela >>>>>> viscosa (L.) Raf.). >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Wed, Feb 7, 2018 at 2:29 AM, J.M. Garg <jmga...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks, Lalithamba ji. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 06-Feb-2018 8:40 PM, "Lalithamba Avadhanam" < >>>>>>> alalitha...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The Plant is Cleome viscosa L., >>>>>>>> Regarding name change, after some review by a taxonomist the names >>>>>>>> may be changed; it is a continuous process, hence many plants of so >>>>>>>> many >>>>>>>> synonyms, As Garg ji said, we have to apply our mind; or if we write >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> old name it should be written with author's name and publication, it >>>>>>>> is not >>>>>>>> a great error not to know the ever changing names, for we are >>>>>>>> accustomed to >>>>>>>> use one name for so many years! >>>>>>>> Thank you >>>>>>>> regards >>>>>>>> A.Lalithamba >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Tue, Feb 6, 2018 at 6:47 PM, J.M. Garg <jmga...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> No single source is the best option. We have to apply our mind to >>>>>>>>> each and every taxon and take our decision according. Accepted name >>>>>>>>> of a >>>>>>>>> taxon keep on changing as you can see from time to time and from one >>>>>>>>> flora >>>>>>>>> to another flora. There are lot of reasons for that. Like some >>>>>>>>> taxonomist >>>>>>>>> splits a genus into many genera resulting in species moving to these >>>>>>>>> different genera. Another taxonomist in future may lump them again >>>>>>>>> into the >>>>>>>>> same genus. Taxonomy is constantly changing with every new >>>>>>>>> publication. As >>>>>>>>> long as we identify a plant correctly, we should be happy without >>>>>>>>> worrying >>>>>>>>> if the name is an accepted name or a synonym. I think in the age of >>>>>>>>> search, >>>>>>>>> we should be quite comfortable with it. >>>>>>>>> Sometimes I do not change to the current names given in say >>>>>>>>> Catalogue of Life, as we have keys of these species only as per the >>>>>>>>> old >>>>>>>>> nomenclature and we are quite used to these names. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 06-Feb-2018 4:05 PM, "Saroj Kumar Kasaju" < >>>>>>>>> kasajusa...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Earlier I was following the CofL but some one suggested ( I >>>>>>>>>> forgot the name ) >>>>>>>>>> that the PL is better option. However, I guess we should follow >>>>>>>>>> the CofL for ID >>>>>>>>>> now on wards. But I found some ID completely different in the >>>>>>>>>> CofL. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, February 6, 2018 at 6:23:53 AM UTC+5:45, JM Garg >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> We can check what Catalogue of Life says which has been updated >>>>>>>>>>> recently and appears to be much better than The Plant List. The >>>>>>>>>>> Plant List >>>>>>>>>>> was based on fixed data provided to them in 2012 by various service >>>>>>>>>>> providers like WCSP etc. The underlined never changed after that. >>>>>>>>>>> On the >>>>>>>>>>> other hand data in Catalogue is changed on day to day basis and is >>>>>>>>>>> based on >>>>>>>>>>> latest sources. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On 05-Feb-2018 10:06 PM, "tsp kumar" <tspkuma...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> 2.The efloraofindia site lists *Cleome viscosa *as a synonym of* >>>>>>>>>>>> Arivela >>>>>>>>>>>> viscosa* >>>>>>>>>>>> Ref:https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/a-- >>>>>>>>>>>> -l/cl/cleomaceae/arivela/cleome-viscosa >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> 3.The Plant List reckons *Arivela viscosa* and *Cleome >>>>>>>>>>>> viscosa *as distinct from each other*.* >>>>>>>>>>>> Ref - http://www.theplantlist.org >>>>>>>>>>>> /tpl1.1/search?q=cleome+viscosa >>>>>>>>>>>> Ref - http://www.theplantlist.org/tpl1.1/search?q=Arivela >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> This ambiguity needs to be cleared. >>>>>>>>>>>> regards >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Feb 4, 2018 at 9:28 PM, tsp kumar <tspkuma...@gmail.com >>>>>>>>>>>> > wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks Prashant ji for the lead. >>>>>>>>>>>>> regards >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Feb 4, 2018 at 9:20 PM, Prashant Awale < >>>>>>>>>>>>> pkaw...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Looks like Cleome viscosa .. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Prashant >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Feb 4, 2018 at 9:16 PM, tsp kumar < >>>>>>>>>>>>>> tspkuma...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear friends, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kindly examine and identify this plant. Could this be a *Cleome >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *sp.....? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Habit: Herb >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Habitat: Wild,Wasteland by a roadside >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sighting: Tumkur,Karnataka,about 800 msl >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Date: 05-07-2016 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks and regards >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tspkumar >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Deputy Conservator of Forests (R) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tumkur,Karnataka >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ph:9880571585 <098805%2071585> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *“We have not inherited this planet from our forefathers, we >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have borrowed it from our children”-An American proverb* >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Google Groups "efloraofindia" group. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from it, send an email to indiantreepix+unsubscribe@goog >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> legroups.com. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> indiantreepix@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/grou >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> p/indiantreepix. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the >>>>>>>>>>>> Google Groups "efloraofindia" group. >>>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from >>>>>>>>>>>> it, send an email to indiantreepix+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com >>>>>>>>>>>> . >>>>>>>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to >>>>>>>>>>>> indiantreepix@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>>>>>>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/grou >>>>>>>>>>>> p/indiantreepix. >>>>>>>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the >>>>>>>>>> Google Groups "efloraofindia" group. >>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>>>>>> send an email to indiantreepix+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to >>>>>>>>>> indiantreepix@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>>>>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix >>>>>>>>>> . >>>>>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>>>> Groups "ITPmods" group. >>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>>>>> send an email to itpmods+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to itpm...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>>>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/itpmods. >>>>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>>> Groups "efloraofindia" group. >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>>>> send an email to indiantreepix+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to indiantreepix@googlegroups.com >>>>>>>> . >>>>>>>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix. >>>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>> Groups "ITPmods" group. >>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>>> send an email to itpmods+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to itpm...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/itpmods. >>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> ************************************************************ >>>>>> ********************************************************** >>>>>> *Pankaj Kumar*, Ph.D. >>>>>> *IUCN-SSC Orchid Specialist Group Asia* >>>>>> >>>>>> *Office*: >>>>>> >>>>>> Conservation Officer >>>>>> >>>>>> Orchid Conservation Section >>>>>> >>>>>> Flora Conservation Department >>>>>> >>>>>> Kadoorie Farm and Botanic Garden (KFBG) Corporation >>>>>> Lam Kam Road, Tai Po, New Territories, Hong Kong. >>>>>> >>>>>> *Residence*: >>>>>> House no. 39, 2nd Floor, Shui Wo Tsuen >>>>>> Lam Tsuen, Tai Po, New Territories, Hong Kong. >>>>>> *email*: pku...@kfbg.org; 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