Dear Dr Robert and friends, ... the suspense may remain until we get to see inside a fruit ... (that particular day searched in vain for any fallen fruit). But of course, may reach VJBU next week too ... hopefully, one of the staff person may help me with a fruit (am trying to be too optimistic) ... the fruits and flowers are at a great height; and hardly any of them can be seen, looks like the season is fading.
Will keep posted. Regards. 2010/5/18 Robert H. Archer <[email protected]> > Dear Dinesh Ji and friends > > > > I have been very surprised. It is almost if there are two species. The > leaves looks like Elaeodendron orientale and the tree, bark and habit looks > like Elaeodendron balae. However, I am accepting this tree is quite an old > Elaeodendron orientale. Probably at least 50 to 60 years old or older if it > has been diseased at one time. These two species are very similar, and both > has been planted in various Botanic Gardens over the world. And of course > there have been an immense amount of confusion between the two. Plants from > Honololu are clearly E. orientale. Plants from Durban, South Africa, > Brisbane, Australia and Florida are clearly E. balae (It also has been > called Cassine quadrangulata). But it has been very difficult or can be very > difficult to identify plants from only a few photos. What I do need is a > good close up photos of the flowers and a photo of the fruit cut open. There > is a hard stone fruit inside, hence the name Bois d’Olive in French from > where the direct translation Elaeodendron comes from. The stone fruit of E. > orientale is sharp pointed at both ends. The one of E. balae is completely > ovoid. > > > > I would very much learn if there is a history behind the tree. When it was > planted etc. > > > > With best wishes, Robert > > > > *From:* Dinesh Valke [mailto:[email protected]] > *Sent:* 17 May 2010 09:14 PM > *To:* satish pardeshi; Tabish; Robert H. Archer; Neil Soares > *Cc:* efloraofindia > *Subject:* Re: [efloraofindia:35061] Re: DV - 09MAY10 - 1003 :: ¿ > Diospyros / Glochidion ? > > > > Dear friends, > > Here are some more photos; hopefully would help in reaching conclusion. > > Regards. > > > On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 8:53 PM, Tabish <[email protected]> wrote: > > Dinesh's pictures agree quite well with the pictures of Elaeodendron > orientale on the web: > http://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/showimage/149366/ > > http://www.hear.org/starr/images/images/plants/full/starr-090714-2786.jpg > > http://www.hear.org/starr/images/images/plants/full/starr-090714-2788.jpg > - Tabish > > > On May 13, 12:43 pm, Dinesh Valke <[email protected]> wrote: > > Lots of thanks to everyone !!! > > Regards. > > > > > On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 1:01 PM, Neil Soares <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > Hi Dr. Pardeshi, > > > Just spoke to Dr.Almeida. The tree in the Zoo is not Cassine > > > paniculata [which is found growing wild in the Amboli hills]. He feels > > > that R.R.Fernandez has most likely correctly identified it as > E.orientale / > > > C.orientalis [as pointed out by you]. > > > Regards, > > > Neil Soares. > > > > > > --- On *Thu, 5/13/10, satish pardeshi <[email protected]>* > wrote: > > > > > From: satish pardeshi <[email protected]> > > > > Subject: Re: [efloraofindia:34690] Re: DV - 09MAY10 - 1003 :: ¿ > Diospyros / > > > Glochidion ? > > > > To: "Neil Soares" <[email protected] <[email protected]>>, > "indiantreepix" < > > > > [email protected]> > > > Date: Thursday, May 13, 2010, 12:47 PM > > > > > yes Neil ji > > > thats y it took me so much time to identify this plant. i had been > looking > > > for its id from last 3-4 years. a line drawing of it is been given in > the > > > Fernandez Thesis. > > > > > Regards > > > > > > On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 12:45 PM, Neil Soares <[email protected]< > http://us.mc339.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> > > > > > wrote: > > > > >> HI, > > >> Interesting, but there is no mention of Elaeodendron orientale / > Cassine > > >> orientalis in Dr.Almeida's ' Flora of Maharashtra'. > > >> With regards, > > >> Neil Soares. > > > > > >> --- On *Thu, 5/13/10, Pardeshi S. <[email protected]< > http://us.mc339.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> > > >> >* wrote: > > > > >> From: Pardeshi S. <[email protected]< > http://us.mc339.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> > > > > > >> Subject: [efloraofindia:34687] Re: DV - 09MAY10 - 1003 :: ¿ Diospyros > / > > >> Glochidion ? > > > >> To: "efloraofindia" <[email protected]< > http://us.mc339.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=indiantree...@googlegrou..<http://us.mc339.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=indiantree...@googlegrou.> > .> > > > > > >> Date: Thursday, May 13, 2010, 12:33 PM > > > > >> Hello all > > >> I referred R.R.Fernandez thesis on plants of Bombay 1959. > > >> according to it it is Elaeodendron orientale J. Jacq. > > >> Synonym: Cassine orientalis (J. Jacq.) Kuntze > > > > >> if possible i will post a line drawing of it given in the thesis. > > > > >> Regards > > >> Satish Pardeshi > > > > > >> On May 12, 8:18 am, Neil Soares <[email protected]< > http://us.mc339.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]>> > > > >> wrote: > > >> > Hi Tanay, > > >> > As Dinesh knows this is definitely not Cassine glauca. Sending you > > >> photographs of Cassine glauca for comparison. It is also not Diospyros > > >> malabarica. > > >> > Regards, > > >> > Neil. > > > > > >> > --- On Wed, 5/12/10, tanay bose <[email protected]< > http://us.mc339.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]>> > > >> wrote: > > > > >> > From: tanay bose <[email protected] <tanaybos...@gmailcom>< > http://us.mc339.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> > > > > > >> > Subject: Re: [efloraofindia:34585] DV - 09MAY10 - 1003 :: ¿ > Diospyros / > > >> Glochidion ? > > > >> > To: "R. Vijayasankar" <[email protected]< > http://us.mc339.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> > > > > >> > Cc: "Dinesh Valke" <[email protected]< > http://us.mc339.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]<http://us.mc339mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> > >>, > > >> "efloraofindia" <[email protected]< > http://us.mc339.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=indiantree...@googlegrou...> > > > > > >> > Date: Wednesday, May 12, 2010, 8:00 AM > > > > >> > Dear Dinesh Ji, > > > > >> > I think this is Cassine glauca (Rottb.) O. Ktze Like Vijayasankar > Ji. I > > >> am adding the description of the plant... > > > > >> > A large tree; branchlets reddish; bark red inside, exuding a watery > sap > > >> when cut. Leaves opposite or sub-opposite, 3-16 x 1.5-7.5 cm, > elliptic, > > >> ovate-oblong or obovate, glabrous, dark green, shining above, glaucous > > >> beneath; petiole 0.5-1 cm long, channelled. Cymes axillary, > dichotomous, > > >> 7.5-12 cm long; peduncle 2.5-6.5 cm long, often red. Flower 5 mm in > > >> diameter, whitish; calyx 4-5-lobed, lobes rounded, margin membranous; > > >> stamens included, filaments recurved, anthers with a 2-lobed > connective. > > >> Ovary adnate to the disc; style very short, persistent. Fruit a dry, > ovoid, > > >> drupe, 1-15 cm long, 1-celled, 1-seeded. > > >> > Regards > > >> > Tanay > > > > >> > On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 3:42 AM, R. Vijayasankar < > > > >> [email protected] <[email protected]>< > http://us.mc339.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]>> > > > >> wrote: > > > > >> > Dinesh ji, the flowers remind me Cassine. (not C. glauca, certainly > not > > >> Diospyros). > > > > >> > Let's hear from other members. > > > > >> > With regards > > > > >> > R. Vijayasankar > > > > > >> > On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 1:20 PM, Dinesh Valke < > [email protected]< > http://us.mc339.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]<http://us.mc339.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> > >> > > > >> wrote: > > > > >> > Dear friends, > > >> > Confused between Diospyros (malabarica) and Glochidion .. and ID > could > > >> be none of these !! > > >> > The flowers and fruits are mismatching. > > >> > (Please bear the photo quality). > > > > >> > Date/Time : May 9, 2010 at 10.03am IST > > >> > Location Place : Veermata Jijabai Bhosale Udyan (Rani Bagh), Mumbai. > > > > >> > Altitude : 10 m > > >> > GPS : 18°58'43.56"N, 72°50'9.81"E ± few seconds > > > > >> > Habitat : garden (however must be found wild in Western Ghats) > > >> > Type : ... > > > > >> > Plant > > >> > Habit : tree > > >> > Height : about 8 -12 m > > >> > Length : - not a climber - > > > > >> > Leaves > > >> > Type : simple, alternately placed (possibly whorling), coarsely > serrate > > >> (or is it dentate, do not know) > > >> > Shape : elliptic, rounded at both ends > > >> > Size : 8 - 10 cm x 2.5 - 3.5 cm > > > > >> > Inflorescence > > >> > Type : axillary cymous > > >> > Size : about 6 cm > > > > >> > Flowers > > >> > Size : about 10 mm > > >> > Colour : off-white (cream) > > >> > Calyx : do not know > > >> > Bracts : - no bracts - > > > > >> > Fruits > > >> > Type : ¿ drupe ? > > >> > Shape : ovoid > > >> > Size : about 3 cm > > >> > Seeds : do not know > > > > >> > Other Info > > >> > Fragrance : do not know > > >> > Pollinator : do not know > > >> > Uses : do not know > > > > >> > Regards. > > > > >> > -- > > >> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > > >> Groups "efloraofindia" group. > > > >> > To post to this group, send email to [email protected] > <http://us.mc339.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=indiantree...@googlegrou...> > > > >> . > > >> > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to indiantreepix+ > > > >> [email protected]< > http://us.mc339.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=unsubscr...@googlegroups...> > > > >> . > > >> > For more options, visit this group at > > >>http://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix?hl=en. > > > > >> > -- > > >> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > > >> Groups "efloraofindia" group. > > > >> > To post to this group, send email to [email protected] > <http://us.mc339.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=indiantree...@googlegrou...> > > > >> . > > >> > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to indiantreepix+ > > > >> [email protected]< > http://us.mc339.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=unsubscr...@googlegroups...> > > > >> . > > >> > For more options, visit this group at > > >>http://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix?hl=en. > > > > >> > -- > > > >> > Tanay Bose > > >> > +91(033) 25550676 (Resi) > > >> > 9830439691(Mobile) > > >> > 9674221362 (Mobile) > > > > >> > -- > > >> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > > >> Groups "efloraofindia" group. > > > >> > To post to this group, send email to [email protected] > <http://us.mc339.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=indiantree...@googlegrou...> > > > >> . > > >> > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to indiantreepix+ > > > >> [email protected]< > http://us.mc339.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=unsubscr...@googlegroups...> > > > >> . > > >> > For more options, visit this group at > > >>http://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix?hl=en. > > > > >> > -- > > >> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > > >> Groups "efloraofindia" group. > > > >> > To post to this group, send email to [email protected] > <http://us.mc339.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=indiantree...@googlegrou...> > > > >> . > > >> > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to indiantreepix+ > > > >> [email protected]< > http://us.mc339.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=unsubscr...@googlegroups...> > > > >> . > > >> > For more options, visit this group at > > >>http://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix?hl=en. > > > > > >> > Cassine glauca flowers.jpg > > >> > 89KViewDownload > > > > >> > Cassine glauca,Bhutuxia fruit.jpg > > >> > 66KViewDownload > > > > >> -- > > >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups > > >> "efloraofindia" group. > > > >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]< > http://us.mc339.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=indiantree...@googlegrou...> > > > >> . > > >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to indiantreepix+ > > > >> [email protected]< > http://us.mc339.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=unsubscr...@googlegroups...> > > > >> . > > >> For more options, visit this group at > > >>http://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix?hl=en. > > > > > -- > > > Satish Pardeshi > > > Plant Taxonomist > > > Mumbai, Pune > > > -- > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups > > > "efloraofindia" group. > > > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > > > [email protected]<indiantreepix%[email protected]> > <indiantreepix%[email protected]<indiantreepix%[email protected]> > > > > > > . > > > For more options, visit this group at > > >http://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix?hl=en. > > > > > -- > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups > > > "efloraofindia" group. > > > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > > > > ... > > > > read more » > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "efloraofindia" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]<indiantreepix%[email protected]> > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix?hl=en. > > > > ------------------------------ > VISIT OUR NEW WEBSITE ----BIODIVERSITY ADVISOR---- ON > HTTP://BIODIVERSITYADVISOR.SANBI.ORG/ > > Think before you print. 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