That is simply superb. Ultimate dedication Dinesh. Cheers Prashant On Sat, May 22, 2010 at 5:01 PM, Dinesh Valke <[email protected]>wrote:
> Dear friends, > Today collected (fallen) fruits of this *Elaeodendron* tree. > Photos attached ... tried cutting one of the fruit with a (sharp) knife ... > just could not cut the hard stone inside. > And as seen in photo ... sharp pointed at both ends. > > Finally: *Elaeodendron orientale*. > > Many thanks to all: > ... Dr Robert Archer for providing the description of the fruit and seed; > thus further validating ID suggested by > ... Satish Pardeshi ji (R. R. Fernandez) and, > ... Neil ji (Dr. Almeida). > > > > Regards. > > > > > > On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 10:22 PM, Dinesh Valke <[email protected]>wrote: > >> Agreed Satish ji, hoping to do that on this Saturday !! >> Regards. >> >> >> >> >> On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 10:14 PM, satish pardeshi < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Hello Dinesh ji >>> i used to search for fruits and flowers of very high trees at the dumping >>> ground at jijamata udyan. i used to go very early in the morning before the >>> worker start cleaning the place, so that i can collect fallen fruits and >>> flowers which are otherwise difficult to collect n photograph. i am sure u >>> may get some fallen fruit of this Eleaodendron plant. >>> >>> Regards >>> Satish Pardeshi >>> >>> >>> On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 4:29 PM, Dinesh Valke <[email protected]>wrote: >>> >>>> Dear Dr Robert and friends, ... the suspense may remain until we get to >>>> see inside a fruit ... (that particular day searched in vain for any fallen >>>> fruit). >>>> But of course, may reach VJBU next week too ... hopefully, one of the >>>> staff person may help me with a fruit (am trying to be too optimistic) ... >>>> the fruits and flowers are at a great height; and hardly any of them can be >>>> seen, looks like the season is fading. >>>> >>>> Will keep posted. >>>> >>>> Regards. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> 2010/5/18 Robert H. Archer <[email protected]> >>>> >>>> Dear Dinesh Ji and friends >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I have been very surprised. It is almost if there are two species. The >>>>> leaves looks like Elaeodendron orientale and the tree, bark and habit >>>>> looks >>>>> like Elaeodendron balae. However, I am accepting this tree is quite an >>>>> old >>>>> Elaeodendron orientale. Probably at least 50 to 60 years old or older if >>>>> it >>>>> has been diseased at one time. These two species are very similar, and >>>>> both >>>>> has been planted in various Botanic Gardens over the world. And of course >>>>> there have been an immense amount of confusion between the two. Plants >>>>> from >>>>> Honololu are clearly E. orientale. Plants from Durban, South Africa, >>>>> Brisbane, Australia and Florida are clearly E. balae (It also has been >>>>> called Cassine quadrangulata). But it has been very difficult or can be >>>>> very >>>>> difficult to identify plants from only a few photos. What I do need is a >>>>> good close up photos of the flowers and a photo of the fruit cut open. >>>>> There >>>>> is a hard stone fruit inside, hence the name Bois d’Olive in French from >>>>> where the direct translation Elaeodendron comes from. The stone fruit of >>>>> E. >>>>> orientale is sharp pointed at both ends. The one of E. balae is completely >>>>> ovoid. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I would very much learn if there is a history behind the tree. When it >>>>> was planted etc. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> With best wishes, Robert >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> *From:* Dinesh Valke [mailto:[email protected]] >>>>> *Sent:* 17 May 2010 09:14 PM >>>>> *To:* satish pardeshi; Tabish; Robert H. Archer; Neil Soares >>>>> *Cc:* efloraofindia >>>>> *Subject:* Re: [efloraofindia:35061] Re: DV - 09MAY10 - 1003 :: ¿ >>>>> Diospyros / Glochidion ? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Dear friends, >>>>> >>>>> Here are some more photos; hopefully would help in reaching conclusion. >>>>> >>>>> Regards. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 8:53 PM, Tabish <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Dinesh's pictures agree quite well with the pictures of Elaeodendron >>>>> orientale on the web: >>>>> http://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/showimage/149366/ >>>>> >>>>> http://www.hear.org/starr/images/images/plants/full/starr-090714-2786.jpg >>>>> >>>>> http://www.hear.org/starr/images/images/plants/full/starr-090714-2788.jpg >>>>> - Tabish >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On May 13, 12:43 pm, Dinesh Valke <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> > Lots of thanks to everyone !!! >>>>> > Regards. >>>>> > >>>>> >>>>> > On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 1:01 PM, Neil Soares <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> > > Hi Dr. Pardeshi, >>>>> > > Just spoke to Dr.Almeida. The tree in the Zoo is not Cassine >>>>> > > paniculata [which is found growing wild in the Amboli hills]. He >>>>> feels >>>>> > > that R.R.Fernandez has most likely correctly identified it as >>>>> E.orientale / >>>>> > > C.orientalis [as pointed out by you]. >>>>> > > Regards, >>>>> > > Neil Soares. >>>>> > >>>>> >>>>> > > --- On *Thu, 5/13/10, satish pardeshi <[email protected]>* >>>>> wrote: >>>>> > >>>>> > > From: satish pardeshi <[email protected]> >>>>> >>>>> > > Subject: Re: [efloraofindia:34690] Re: DV - 09MAY10 - 1003 :: ¿ >>>>> Diospyros / >>>>> > > Glochidion ? >>>>> >>>>> > > To: "Neil Soares" <[email protected] <[email protected]>>, >>>>> "indiantreepix" < >>>>> >>>>> > > [email protected]> >>>>> > > Date: Thursday, May 13, 2010, 12:47 PM >>>>> > >>>>> > > yes Neil ji >>>>> > > thats y it took me so much time to identify this plant. i had been >>>>> looking >>>>> > > for its id from last 3-4 years. a line drawing of it is been given >>>>> in the >>>>> > > Fernandez Thesis. >>>>> > >>>>> > > Regards >>>>> > >>>>> >>>>> > > On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 12:45 PM, Neil Soares < >>>>> [email protected]< >>>>> http://us.mc339.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> >>>>> >>>>> > > > wrote: >>>>> > >>>>> > >> HI, >>>>> > >> Interesting, but there is no mention of Elaeodendron orientale / >>>>> Cassine >>>>> > >> orientalis in Dr.Almeida's ' Flora of Maharashtra'. >>>>> > >> With regards, >>>>> > >> Neil Soares. >>>>> > >>>>> >>>>> > >> --- On *Thu, 5/13/10, Pardeshi S. <[email protected]< >>>>> http://us.mc339.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> >>>>> > >> >* wrote: >>>>> > >>>>> > >> From: Pardeshi S. <[email protected]< >>>>> http://us.mc339.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> >>>>> >>>>> > >>>>> > >> Subject: [efloraofindia:34687] Re: DV - 09MAY10 - 1003 :: ¿ >>>>> Diospyros / >>>>> > >> Glochidion ? >>>>> >>>>> > >> To: "efloraofindia" <[email protected]< >>>>> http://us.mc339.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=indiantree...@googlegrou..<http://us.mc339.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=indiantree...@googlegrou.> >>>>> .> >>>>> >>>>> > >>>>> > >> Date: Thursday, May 13, 2010, 12:33 PM >>>>> > >>>>> > >> Hello all >>>>> > >> I referred R.R.Fernandez thesis on plants of Bombay 1959. >>>>> > >> according to it it is Elaeodendron orientale J. Jacq. >>>>> > >> Synonym: Cassine orientalis (J. Jacq.) Kuntze >>>>> > >>>>> > >> if possible i will post a line drawing of it given in the thesis. >>>>> > >>>>> > >> Regards >>>>> > >> Satish Pardeshi >>>>> > >>>>> >>>>> > >> On May 12, 8:18 am, Neil Soares <[email protected]< >>>>> http://us.mc339.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]>> >>>>> >>>>> > >> wrote: >>>>> > >> > Hi Tanay, >>>>> > >> > As Dinesh knows this is definitely not Cassine glauca. Sending >>>>> you >>>>> > >> photographs of Cassine glauca for comparison. It is also not >>>>> Diospyros >>>>> > >> malabarica. >>>>> > >> > Regards, >>>>> > >> > Neil. >>>>> > >>>>> >>>>> > >> > --- On Wed, 5/12/10, tanay bose <[email protected]< >>>>> http://us.mc339.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]>> >>>>> > >> wrote: >>>>> > >>>>> > >> > From: tanay bose <[email protected] <tanaybos...@gmailcom>< >>>>> http://us.mc339.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> >>>>> >>>>> > >>>>> > >> > Subject: Re: [efloraofindia:34585] DV - 09MAY10 - 1003 :: ¿ >>>>> Diospyros / >>>>> > >> Glochidion ? >>>>> >>>>> > >> > To: "R. Vijayasankar" <[email protected]< >>>>> http://us.mc339.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> >>>>> > >>>>> > >> > Cc: "Dinesh Valke" <[email protected]< >>>>> http://us.mc339.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]<http://us.mc339mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> >>>>> >>, >>>>> > >> "efloraofindia" <[email protected]< >>>>> http://us.mc339.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=indiantree...@googlegrou.. >>>>> .> >>>>> >>>>> > >>>>> > >> > Date: Wednesday, May 12, 2010, 8:00 AM >>>>> > >>>>> > >> > Dear Dinesh Ji, >>>>> > >>>>> > >> > I think this is Cassine glauca (Rottb.) O. Ktze Like >>>>> Vijayasankar Ji. I >>>>> > >> am adding the description of the plant... >>>>> > >>>>> > >> > A large tree; branchlets reddish; bark red inside, exuding a >>>>> watery sap >>>>> > >> when cut. Leaves opposite or sub-opposite, 3-16 x 1.5-7.5 cm, >>>>> elliptic, >>>>> > >> ovate-oblong or obovate, glabrous, dark green, shining above, >>>>> glaucous >>>>> > >> beneath; petiole 0.5-1 cm long, channelled. Cymes axillary, >>>>> dichotomous, >>>>> > >> 7.5-12 cm long; peduncle 2.5-6.5 cm long, often red. Flower 5 mm >>>>> in >>>>> > >> diameter, whitish; calyx 4-5-lobed, lobes rounded, margin >>>>> membranous; >>>>> > >> stamens included, filaments recurved, anthers with a 2-lobed >>>>> connective. >>>>> > >> Ovary adnate to the disc; style very short, persistent. Fruit a >>>>> dry, ovoid, >>>>> > >> drupe, 1-15 cm long, 1-celled, 1-seeded. >>>>> > >> > Regards >>>>> > >> > Tanay >>>>> > >>>>> > >> > On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 3:42 AM, R. Vijayasankar < >>>>> >>>>> > >> [email protected] <[email protected]>< >>>>> http://us.mc339.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected] >>>>> >> >>>>> >>>>> > >> wrote: >>>>> > >>>>> > >> > Dinesh ji, the flowers remind me Cassine. (not C. glauca, >>>>> certainly not >>>>> > >> Diospyros). >>>>> > >>>>> > >> > Let's hear from other members. >>>>> > >>>>> > >> > With regards >>>>> > >>>>> > >> > R. Vijayasankar >>>>> > >>>>> >>>>> > >> > On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 1:20 PM, Dinesh Valke < >>>>> [email protected]< >>>>> http://us.mc339.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]<http://us.mc339.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> >>>>> >> >>>>> >>>>> > >> wrote: >>>>> > >>>>> > >> > Dear friends, >>>>> > >> > Confused between Diospyros (malabarica) and Glochidion .. and ID >>>>> could >>>>> > >> be none of these !! >>>>> > >> > The flowers and fruits are mismatching. >>>>> > >> > (Please bear the photo quality). >>>>> > >>>>> > >> > Date/Time : May 9, 2010 at 10.03am IST >>>>> > >> > Location Place : Veermata Jijabai Bhosale Udyan (Rani Bagh), >>>>> Mumbai. >>>>> > >>>>> > >> > Altitude : 10 m >>>>> > >> > GPS : 18°58'43.56"N, 72°50'9.81"E ± few seconds >>>>> > >>>>> > >> > Habitat : garden (however must be found wild in Western Ghats) >>>>> > >> > Type : ... >>>>> > >>>>> > >> > Plant >>>>> > >> > Habit : tree >>>>> > >> > Height : about 8 -12 m >>>>> > >> > Length : - not a climber - >>>>> > >>>>> > >> > Leaves >>>>> > >> > Type : simple, alternately placed (possibly whorling), coarsely >>>>> serrate >>>>> > >> (or is it dentate, do not know) >>>>> > >> > Shape : elliptic, rounded at both ends >>>>> > >> > Size : 8 - 10 cm x 2.5 - 3.5 cm >>>>> > >>>>> > >> > Inflorescence >>>>> > >> > Type : axillary cymous >>>>> > >> > Size : about 6 cm >>>>> > >>>>> > >> > Flowers >>>>> > >> > Size : about 10 mm >>>>> > >> > Colour : off-white (cream) >>>>> > >> > Calyx : do not know >>>>> > >> > Bracts : - no bracts - >>>>> > >>>>> > >> > Fruits >>>>> > >> > Type : ¿ drupe ? >>>>> > >> > Shape : ovoid >>>>> > >> > Size : about 3 cm >>>>> > >> > Seeds : do not know >>>>> > >>>>> > >> > Other Info >>>>> > >> > Fragrance : do not know >>>>> > >> > Pollinator : do not know >>>>> > >> > Uses : do not know >>>>> > >>>>> > >> > Regards. >>>>> > >>>>> > >> > -- >>>>> > >> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the >>>>> Google >>>>> > >> Groups "efloraofindia" group. >>>>> 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