Thank you very much Dr Robert ... the diameter could be about 2 - 2.5 ft, the height about 25 - 30 m. Regards.
2010/5/25 Robert H. Archer <[email protected]> > > > Dear Dinesh > > > > Thank you very much. This is very interesting. This hard stone is the main > difference between Elaeodendron (tree like a olive) and of the South African > Cassine species. > > > > How tall is the tree and the approximate diameter of the stem? > > > > With best wishes, Robert > > *From:* Dinesh Valke [mailto:[email protected]] > *Sent:* 22 May 2010 01:31 PM > *To:* satish pardeshi; Robert H. Archer > *Cc:* indiantreepix > *Subject:* Re: [efloraofindia:35225] Re: DV - 09MAY10 - 1003 :: ¿ > Diospyros / Glochidion ? > > > > Dear friends, > Today collected (fallen) fruits of this *Elaeodendron* tree. > Photos attached ... tried cutting one of the fruit with a (sharp) knife ... > just could not cut the hard stone inside. > And as seen in photo ... sharp pointed at both ends. > > Finally: *Elaeodendron orientale*. > > Many thanks to all: > ... Dr Robert Archer for providing the description of the fruit and seed; > thus further validating ID suggested by > ... Satish Pardeshi ji (R. R. Fernandez) and, > ... Neil ji (Dr. Almeida). > > > > Regards. > > > > On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 10:22 PM, Dinesh Valke <[email protected]> > wrote: > > Agreed Satish ji, hoping to do that on this Saturday !! > Regards. > > > > > On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 10:14 PM, satish pardeshi < > [email protected]> wrote: > > Hello Dinesh ji > > i used to search for fruits and flowers of very high trees at the dumping > ground at jijamata udyan. i used to go very early in the morning before the > worker start cleaning the place, so that i can collect fallen fruits and > flowers which are otherwise difficult to collect n photograph. i am sure u > may get some fallen fruit of this Eleaodendron plant. > > > > Regards > > Satish Pardeshi > > > > On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 4:29 PM, Dinesh Valke <[email protected]> > wrote: > > Dear Dr Robert and friends, ... the suspense may remain until we get to see > inside a fruit ... (that particular day searched in vain for any fallen > fruit). > But of course, may reach VJBU next week too ... hopefully, one of the staff > person may help me with a fruit (am trying to be too optimistic) ... the > fruits and flowers are at a great height; and hardly any of them can be > seen, looks like the season is fading. > > Will keep posted. > > Regards. > > > > 2010/5/18 Robert H. Archer <[email protected]> > > > > Dear Dinesh Ji and friends > > > > I have been very surprised. It is almost if there are two species. The > leaves looks like Elaeodendron orientale and the tree, bark and habit looks > like Elaeodendron balae. However, I am accepting this tree is quite an old > Elaeodendron orientale. Probably at least 50 to 60 years old or older if it > has been diseased at one time. These two species are very similar, and both > has been planted in various Botanic Gardens over the world. And of course > there have been an immense amount of confusion between the two. Plants from > Honololu are clearly E. orientale. Plants from Durban, South Africa, > Brisbane, Australia and Florida are clearly E. balae (It also has been > called Cassine quadrangulata). But it has been very difficult or can be very > difficult to identify plants from only a few photos. What I do need is a > good close up photos of the flowers and a photo of the fruit cut open. There > is a hard stone fruit inside, hence the name Bois d’Olive in French from > where the direct translation Elaeodendron comes from. The stone fruit of E. > orientale is sharp pointed at both ends. The one of E. balae is completely > ovoid. > > > > I would very much learn if there is a history behind the tree. When it was > planted etc. > > > > With best wishes, Robert > > > > *From:* Dinesh Valke [mailto:[email protected]] > *Sent:* 17 May 2010 09:14 PM > *To:* satish pardeshi; Tabish; Robert H. Archer; Neil Soares > *Cc:* efloraofindia > *Subject:* Re: [efloraofindia:35061] Re: DV - 09MAY10 - 1003 :: ¿ > Diospyros / Glochidion ? > > > > Dear friends, > > Here are some more photos; hopefully would help in reaching conclusion. > > Regards. > > On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 8:53 PM, Tabish <[email protected]> wrote: > > Dinesh's pictures agree quite well with the pictures of Elaeodendron > orientale on the web: > http://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/showimage/149366/ > > http://www.hear.org/starr/images/images/plants/full/starr-090714-2786.jpg > > http://www.hear.org/starr/images/images/plants/full/starr-090714-2788.jpg > - Tabish > > > On May 13, 12:43 pm, Dinesh Valke <[email protected]> wrote: > > Lots of thanks to everyone !!! > > Regards. > > > > > On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 1:01 PM, Neil Soares <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > Hi Dr. Pardeshi, > > > Just spoke to Dr.Almeida. The tree in the Zoo is not Cassine > > > paniculata [which is found growing wild in the Amboli hills]. He feels > > > that R.R.Fernandez has most likely correctly identified it as > E.orientale / > > > C.orientalis [as pointed out by you]. > > > Regards, > > > Neil Soares. > > > > > > --- On *Thu, 5/13/10, satish pardeshi <[email protected]>* > wrote: > > > > > From: satish pardeshi <[email protected]> > > > > Subject: Re: [efloraofindia:34690] Re: DV - 09MAY10 - 1003 :: ¿ > Diospyros / > > > Glochidion ? > > > > To: "Neil Soares" <[email protected] <[email protected]>>, > "indiantreepix" < > > > > [email protected]> > > > Date: Thursday, May 13, 2010, 12:47 PM > > > > > yes Neil ji > > > thats y it took me so much time to identify this plant. i had been > looking > > > for its id from last 3-4 years. a line drawing of it is been given in > the > > > Fernandez Thesis. > > > > > Regards > > > > > > On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 12:45 PM, Neil Soares <[email protected]< > http://us.mc339.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> > > > > > wrote: > > > > >> HI, > > >> Interesting, but there is no mention of Elaeodendron orientale / > Cassine > > >> orientalis in Dr.Almeida's ' Flora of Maharashtra'. > > >> With regards, > > >> Neil Soares. > > > > > >> --- On *Thu, 5/13/10, Pardeshi S. <[email protected]< > http://us.mc339.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> > > >> >* wrote: > > > > >> From: Pardeshi S. <[email protected]< > http://us.mc339.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> > > > > > >> Subject: [efloraofindia:34687] Re: DV - 09MAY10 - 1003 :: ¿ Diospyros > / > > >> Glochidion ? > > > >> To: "efloraofindia" <[email protected]< > http://us.mc339.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=indiantree...@googlegrou..<http://us.mc339.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=indiantree...@googlegrou.> > .> > > > > > >> Date: Thursday, May 13, 2010, 12:33 PM > > > > >> Hello all > > >> I referred R.R.Fernandez thesis on plants of Bombay 1959. > > >> according to it it is Elaeodendron orientale J. Jacq. > > >> Synonym: Cassine orientalis (J. Jacq.) Kuntze > > > > >> if possible i will post a line drawing of it given in the thesis. > > > > >> Regards > > >> Satish Pardeshi > > > > > >> On May 12, 8:18 am, Neil Soares <[email protected]< > http://us.mc339.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]>> > > > >> wrote: > > >> > Hi Tanay, > > >> > As Dinesh knows this is definitely not Cassine glauca. Sending you > > >> photographs of Cassine glauca for comparison. It is also not Diospyros > > >> malabarica. > > >> > Regards, > > >> > Neil. > > > > > >> > --- On Wed, 5/12/10, tanay bose <[email protected]< > http://us.mc339.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]>> > > >> wrote: > > > > >> > From: tanay bose <[email protected] <tanaybos...@gmailcom>< > http://us.mc339.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> > > > > > >> > Subject: Re: [efloraofindia:34585] DV - 09MAY10 - 1003 :: ¿ > Diospyros / > > >> Glochidion ? > > > >> > To: "R. Vijayasankar" <[email protected]< > http://us.mc339.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> > > > > >> > Cc: "Dinesh Valke" <[email protected]< > http://us.mc339.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]<http://us.mc339mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> > >>, > > >> "efloraofindia" <[email protected]< > http://us.mc339.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=indiantree...@googlegrou...> > > > > > >> > Date: Wednesday, May 12, 2010, 8:00 AM > > > > >> > Dear Dinesh Ji, > > > > >> > I think this is Cassine glauca (Rottb.) O. Ktze Like Vijayasankar > Ji. I > > >> am adding the description of the plant... > > > > >> > A large tree; branchlets reddish; bark red inside, exuding a watery > sap > > >> when cut. Leaves opposite or sub-opposite, 3-16 x 1.5-7.5 cm, > elliptic, > > >> ovate-oblong or obovate, glabrous, dark green, shining above, glaucous > > >> beneath; petiole 0.5-1 cm long, channelled. Cymes axillary, > dichotomous, > > >> 7.5-12 cm long; peduncle 2.5-6.5 cm long, often red. Flower 5 mm in > > >> diameter, whitish; calyx 4-5-lobed, lobes rounded, margin membranous; > > >> stamens included, filaments recurved, anthers with a 2-lobed > connective. > > >> Ovary adnate to the disc; style very short, persistent. Fruit a dry, > ovoid, > > >> drupe, 1-15 cm long, 1-celled, 1-seeded. > > >> > Regards > > >> > Tanay > > > > >> > On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 3:42 AM, R. Vijayasankar < > > > >> [email protected] <[email protected]>< > http://us.mc339.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]>> > > > >> wrote: > > > > >> > Dinesh ji, the flowers remind me Cassine. (not C. glauca, certainly > not > > >> Diospyros). > > > > >> > Let's hear from other members. > > > > >> > With regards > > > > >> > R. Vijayasankar > > > > > >> > On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 1:20 PM, Dinesh Valke < > [email protected]< > http://us.mc339.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]<http://us.mc339.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> > >> > > > >> wrote: > > > > >> > Dear friends, > > >> > Confused between Diospyros (malabarica) and Glochidion .. and ID > could > > >> be none of these !! > > >> > The flowers and fruits are mismatching. > > >> > (Please bear the photo quality). > > > > >> > Date/Time : May 9, 2010 at 10.03am IST > > >> > Location Place : Veermata Jijabai Bhosale Udyan (Rani Bagh), Mumbai. > > > > >> > Altitude : 10 m > > >> > GPS : 18°58'43.56"N, 72°50'9.81"E ± few seconds > > > > >> > Habitat : garden (however must be found wild in Western Ghats) > > >> > Type : ... > > > > >> > Plant > > >> > Habit : tree > > >> > Height : about 8 -12 m > > >> > Length : - not a climber - > > > > >> > Leaves > > >> > Type : simple, alternately placed (possibly whorling), coarsely > serrate > > >> (or is it dentate, do not know) > > >> > Shape : elliptic, rounded at both ends > > >> > Size : 8 - 10 cm x 2.5 - 3.5 cm > > > > >> > Inflorescence > > >> > Type : axillary cymous > > >> > Size : about 6 cm > > > > >> > Flowers > > >> > Size : about 10 mm > > >> > Colour : off-white (cream) > > >> > Calyx : do not know > > >> > Bracts : - no bracts - > > > > >> > Fruits > > >> > Type : ¿ drupe ? > > >> > Shape : ovoid > > >> > Size : about 3 cm > > >> > Seeds : do not know > > > > >> > Other Info > > >> > Fragrance : do not know > > >> > Pollinator : do not know > > >> > Uses : do not know > > > > >> > Regards. > > > > >> > -- > > >> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > > >> Groups "efloraofindia" group. > > > >> > To post to this group, send email to [email protected] > <http://us.mc339.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=indiantree...@googlegrou...> > > > >> . > > >> > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to indiantreepix+ > > > >> [email protected]< > http://us.mc339.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=unsubscr...@googlegroups...> > > > >> . > > >> > For more options, visit this group at > > >>http://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix?hl=en. > > > > >> > -- > > >> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > > >> Groups "efloraofindia" group. > > > >> > To post to this group, send email to [email protected] > <http://us.mc339.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=indiantree...@googlegrou...> > > > >> . > > >> > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to indiantreepix+ > > > >> [email protected]< > http://us.mc339.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=unsubscr...@googlegroups...> > > > >> . > > >> > For more options, visit this group at > > >>http://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix?hl=en. > > > > >> > -- > > > >> > Tanay Bose > > >> > +91(033) 25550676 (Resi) > > >> > 9830439691(Mobile) > > >> > 9674221362 (Mobile) > > > > >> > -- > > >> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > > >> Groups "efloraofindia" group. > > > >> > To post to this group, send email to [email protected] > <http://us.mc339.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=indiantree...@googlegrou...> > > > >> . > > >> > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to indiantreepix+ > > > >> [email protected]< > http://us.mc339.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=unsubscr...@googlegroups...> > > > >> . > > >> > For more options, visit this group at > > >>http://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix?hl=en. > > > > >> > -- > > >> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > > >> Groups "efloraofindia" group. > > > >> > To post to this group, send email to [email protected] > <http://us.mc339.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=indiantree...@googlegrou...> > > > >> . > > >> > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to indiantreepix+ > > > >> [email protected]< > http://us.mc339.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=unsubscr...@googlegroups...> > > > >> . > > >> > For more options, visit this group at > > >>http://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix?hl=en. > > > > > >> > Cassine glauca flowers.jpg > > >> > 89KViewDownload > > > > >> > Cassine glauca,Bhutuxia fruit.jpg > > >> > 66KViewDownload > > > > >> -- > > >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups > > >> "efloraofindia" group. > > > >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]< > http://us.mc339.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=indiantree...@googlegrou...> > > > >> . > > >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to indiantreepix+ > > > >> [email protected]< > http://us.mc339.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=unsubscr...@googlegroups...> > > > >> . > > >> For more options, visit this group at > > >>http://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix?hl=en. > > > > > -- > > > Satish Pardeshi > > > Plant Taxonomist > > > Mumbai, Pune > > > -- > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups > > > "efloraofindia" group. > > > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > > > [email protected]<indiantreepix%[email protected]> > <indiantreepix%[email protected]<indiantreepix%[email protected]> > > > > > > . > > > For more options, visit this group at > > >http://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix?hl=en. > > > > > -- > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups > > > "efloraofindia" group. > > > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > > > > ... > > > > read more » > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "efloraofindia" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]<indiantreepix%[email protected]> > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix?hl=en. > > > > > ------------------------------ > > VISIT OUR NEW WEBSITE ----BIODIVERSITY ADVISOR---- ON > HTTP://BIODIVERSITYADVISOR.SANBI.ORG/ > > Think before you print. 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