Agreed Satish ji, hoping to do that on this Saturday !! Regards.
On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 10:14 PM, satish pardeshi <[email protected]>wrote: > Hello Dinesh ji > i used to search for fruits and flowers of very high trees at the dumping > ground at jijamata udyan. i used to go very early in the morning before the > worker start cleaning the place, so that i can collect fallen fruits and > flowers which are otherwise difficult to collect n photograph. i am sure u > may get some fallen fruit of this Eleaodendron plant. > > Regards > Satish Pardeshi > > > On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 4:29 PM, Dinesh Valke <[email protected]>wrote: > >> Dear Dr Robert and friends, ... the suspense may remain until we get to >> see inside a fruit ... (that particular day searched in vain for any fallen >> fruit). >> But of course, may reach VJBU next week too ... hopefully, one of the >> staff person may help me with a fruit (am trying to be too optimistic) ... >> the fruits and flowers are at a great height; and hardly any of them can be >> seen, looks like the season is fading. >> >> Will keep posted. >> >> Regards. >> >> >> >> >> 2010/5/18 Robert H. Archer <[email protected]> >> >> Dear Dinesh Ji and friends >>> >>> >>> >>> I have been very surprised. It is almost if there are two species. The >>> leaves looks like Elaeodendron orientale and the tree, bark and habit looks >>> like Elaeodendron balae. However, I am accepting this tree is quite an old >>> Elaeodendron orientale. Probably at least 50 to 60 years old or older if it >>> has been diseased at one time. These two species are very similar, and both >>> has been planted in various Botanic Gardens over the world. And of course >>> there have been an immense amount of confusion between the two. Plants from >>> Honololu are clearly E. orientale. Plants from Durban, South Africa, >>> Brisbane, Australia and Florida are clearly E. balae (It also has been >>> called Cassine quadrangulata). But it has been very difficult or can be very >>> difficult to identify plants from only a few photos. What I do need is a >>> good close up photos of the flowers and a photo of the fruit cut open. There >>> is a hard stone fruit inside, hence the name Bois d’Olive in French from >>> where the direct translation Elaeodendron comes from. The stone fruit of E. >>> orientale is sharp pointed at both ends. The one of E. balae is completely >>> ovoid. >>> >>> >>> >>> I would very much learn if there is a history behind the tree. When it >>> was planted etc. >>> >>> >>> >>> With best wishes, Robert >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* Dinesh Valke [mailto:[email protected]] >>> *Sent:* 17 May 2010 09:14 PM >>> *To:* satish pardeshi; Tabish; Robert H. Archer; Neil Soares >>> *Cc:* efloraofindia >>> *Subject:* Re: [efloraofindia:35061] Re: DV - 09MAY10 - 1003 :: ¿ >>> Diospyros / Glochidion ? >>> >>> >>> >>> Dear friends, >>> >>> Here are some more photos; hopefully would help in reaching conclusion. >>> >>> Regards. >>> >>> >>> On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 8:53 PM, Tabish <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> Dinesh's pictures agree quite well with the pictures of Elaeodendron >>> orientale on the web: >>> http://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/showimage/149366/ >>> >>> http://www.hear.org/starr/images/images/plants/full/starr-090714-2786.jpg >>> >>> http://www.hear.org/starr/images/images/plants/full/starr-090714-2788.jpg >>> - Tabish >>> >>> >>> On May 13, 12:43 pm, Dinesh Valke <[email protected]> wrote: >>> > Lots of thanks to everyone !!! >>> > Regards. >>> > >>> >>> > On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 1:01 PM, Neil Soares <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> > > Hi Dr. Pardeshi, >>> > > Just spoke to Dr.Almeida. The tree in the Zoo is not Cassine >>> > > paniculata [which is found growing wild in the Amboli hills]. He >>> feels >>> > > that R.R.Fernandez has most likely correctly identified it as >>> E.orientale / >>> > > C.orientalis [as pointed out by you]. >>> > > Regards, >>> > > Neil Soares. >>> > >>> >>> > > --- On *Thu, 5/13/10, satish pardeshi <[email protected]>* >>> wrote: >>> > >>> > > From: satish pardeshi <[email protected]> >>> >>> > > Subject: Re: [efloraofindia:34690] Re: DV - 09MAY10 - 1003 :: ¿ >>> Diospyros / >>> > > Glochidion ? >>> >>> > > To: "Neil Soares" <[email protected] <[email protected]>>, >>> "indiantreepix" < >>> >>> > > [email protected]> >>> > > Date: Thursday, May 13, 2010, 12:47 PM >>> > >>> > > yes Neil ji >>> > > thats y it took me so much time to identify this plant. i had been >>> looking >>> > > for its id from last 3-4 years. a line drawing of it is been given in >>> the >>> > > Fernandez Thesis. >>> > >>> > > Regards >>> > >>> >>> > > On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 12:45 PM, Neil Soares < >>> [email protected]< >>> http://us.mc339.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> >>> >>> > > > wrote: >>> > >>> > >> HI, >>> > >> Interesting, but there is no mention of Elaeodendron orientale / >>> Cassine >>> > >> orientalis in Dr.Almeida's ' Flora of Maharashtra'. >>> > >> With regards, >>> > >> Neil Soares. >>> > >>> >>> > >> --- On *Thu, 5/13/10, Pardeshi S. <[email protected]< >>> http://us.mc339.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> >>> > >> >* wrote: >>> > >>> > >> From: Pardeshi S. <[email protected]< >>> http://us.mc339.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> >>> >>> > >>> > >> Subject: [efloraofindia:34687] Re: DV - 09MAY10 - 1003 :: ¿ >>> Diospyros / >>> > >> Glochidion ? >>> >>> > >> To: "efloraofindia" <[email protected]< >>> http://us.mc339.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=indiantree...@googlegrou..<http://us.mc339.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=indiantree...@googlegrou.> >>> .> >>> >>> > >>> > >> Date: Thursday, May 13, 2010, 12:33 PM >>> > >>> > >> Hello all >>> > >> I referred R.R.Fernandez thesis on plants of Bombay 1959. >>> > >> according to it it is Elaeodendron orientale J. Jacq. >>> > >> Synonym: Cassine orientalis (J. Jacq.) Kuntze >>> > >>> > >> if possible i will post a line drawing of it given in the thesis. >>> > >>> > >> Regards >>> > >> Satish Pardeshi >>> > >>> >>> > >> On May 12, 8:18 am, Neil Soares <[email protected]< >>> http://us.mc339.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]>> >>> >>> > >> wrote: >>> > >> > Hi Tanay, >>> > >> > As Dinesh knows this is definitely not Cassine glauca. Sending >>> you >>> > >> photographs of Cassine glauca for comparison. It is also not >>> Diospyros >>> > >> malabarica. >>> > >> > Regards, >>> > >> > Neil. >>> > >>> >>> > >> > --- On Wed, 5/12/10, tanay bose <[email protected]< >>> http://us.mc339.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]>> >>> > >> wrote: >>> > >>> > >> > From: tanay bose <[email protected] <tanaybos...@gmailcom>< >>> http://us.mc339.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> >>> >>> > >>> > >> > Subject: Re: [efloraofindia:34585] DV - 09MAY10 - 1003 :: ¿ >>> Diospyros / >>> > >> Glochidion ? >>> >>> > >> > To: "R. Vijayasankar" <[email protected]< >>> http://us.mc339.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> >>> > >>> > >> > Cc: "Dinesh Valke" <[email protected]< >>> http://us.mc339.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]<http://us.mc339mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> >>> >>, >>> > >> "efloraofindia" <[email protected]< >>> http://us.mc339.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=indiantree...@googlegrou.. >>> .> >>> >>> > >>> > >> > Date: Wednesday, May 12, 2010, 8:00 AM >>> > >>> > >> > Dear Dinesh Ji, >>> > >>> > >> > I think this is Cassine glauca (Rottb.) O. Ktze Like Vijayasankar >>> Ji. I >>> > >> am adding the description of the plant... >>> > >>> > >> > A large tree; branchlets reddish; bark red inside, exuding a >>> watery sap >>> > >> when cut. Leaves opposite or sub-opposite, 3-16 x 1.5-7.5 cm, >>> elliptic, >>> > >> ovate-oblong or obovate, glabrous, dark green, shining above, >>> glaucous >>> > >> beneath; petiole 0.5-1 cm long, channelled. Cymes axillary, >>> dichotomous, >>> > >> 7.5-12 cm long; peduncle 2.5-6.5 cm long, often red. Flower 5 mm in >>> > >> diameter, whitish; calyx 4-5-lobed, lobes rounded, margin >>> membranous; >>> > >> stamens included, filaments recurved, anthers with a 2-lobed >>> connective. >>> > >> Ovary adnate to the disc; style very short, persistent. Fruit a dry, >>> ovoid, >>> > >> drupe, 1-15 cm long, 1-celled, 1-seeded. >>> > >> > Regards >>> > >> > Tanay >>> > >>> > >> > On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 3:42 AM, R. Vijayasankar < >>> >>> > >> [email protected] <[email protected]>< >>> http://us.mc339.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]>> >>> >>> > >> wrote: >>> > >>> > >> > Dinesh ji, the flowers remind me Cassine. (not C. glauca, >>> certainly not >>> > >> Diospyros). >>> > >>> > >> > Let's hear from other members. >>> > >>> > >> > With regards >>> > >>> > >> > R. Vijayasankar >>> > >>> >>> > >> > On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 1:20 PM, Dinesh Valke < >>> [email protected]< >>> http://us.mc339.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]<http://us.mc339.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> >>> >> >>> >>> > >> wrote: >>> > >>> > >> > Dear friends, >>> > >> > Confused between Diospyros (malabarica) and Glochidion .. and ID >>> could >>> > >> be none of these !! >>> > >> > The flowers and fruits are mismatching. >>> > >> > (Please bear the photo quality). >>> > >>> > >> > Date/Time : May 9, 2010 at 10.03am IST >>> > >> > Location Place : Veermata Jijabai Bhosale Udyan (Rani Bagh), >>> Mumbai. >>> > >>> > >> > Altitude : 10 m >>> > >> > GPS : 18°58'43.56"N, 72°50'9.81"E ± few seconds >>> > >>> > >> > Habitat : garden (however must be found wild in Western Ghats) >>> > >> > Type : ... >>> > >>> > >> > Plant >>> > >> > Habit : tree >>> > >> > Height : about 8 -12 m >>> > >> > Length : - not a climber - >>> > >>> > >> > Leaves >>> > >> > Type : simple, alternately placed (possibly whorling), coarsely >>> serrate >>> > >> (or is it dentate, do not know) >>> > >> > Shape : elliptic, rounded at both ends >>> > >> > Size : 8 - 10 cm x 2.5 - 3.5 cm >>> > >>> > >> > Inflorescence >>> > >> > Type : axillary cymous >>> > >> > Size : about 6 cm >>> > >>> > >> > Flowers >>> > >> > Size : about 10 mm >>> > >> > Colour : off-white (cream) >>> > >> > Calyx : do not know >>> > >> > Bracts : - no bracts - >>> > >>> > >> > Fruits >>> > >> > Type : ¿ drupe ? >>> > >> > Shape : ovoid >>> > >> > Size : about 3 cm >>> > >> > Seeds : do not know >>> > >>> > >> > Other Info >>> > >> > Fragrance : do not know >>> > >> > Pollinator : do not know >>> > >> > Uses : do not know >>> > >>> > >> > Regards. >>> > >>> > >> > -- >>> > >> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> > >> Groups "efloraofindia" group. >>> >>> > >> > To post to this group, send email to >>> [email protected]< >>> 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