Hello Dinesh ji i used to search for fruits and flowers of very high trees at the dumping ground at jijamata udyan. i used to go very early in the morning before the worker start cleaning the place, so that i can collect fallen fruits and flowers which are otherwise difficult to collect n photograph. i am sure u may get some fallen fruit of this Eleaodendron plant.
Regards Satish Pardeshi On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 4:29 PM, Dinesh Valke <[email protected]>wrote: > Dear Dr Robert and friends, ... the suspense may remain until we get to see > inside a fruit ... (that particular day searched in vain for any fallen > fruit). > But of course, may reach VJBU next week too ... hopefully, one of the staff > person may help me with a fruit (am trying to be too optimistic) ... the > fruits and flowers are at a great height; and hardly any of them can be > seen, looks like the season is fading. > > Will keep posted. > > Regards. > > > > > 2010/5/18 Robert H. Archer <[email protected]> > > Dear Dinesh Ji and friends >> >> >> >> I have been very surprised. It is almost if there are two species. The >> leaves looks like Elaeodendron orientale and the tree, bark and habit looks >> like Elaeodendron balae. However, I am accepting this tree is quite an old >> Elaeodendron orientale. Probably at least 50 to 60 years old or older if it >> has been diseased at one time. These two species are very similar, and both >> has been planted in various Botanic Gardens over the world. And of course >> there have been an immense amount of confusion between the two. Plants from >> Honololu are clearly E. orientale. Plants from Durban, South Africa, >> Brisbane, Australia and Florida are clearly E. balae (It also has been >> called Cassine quadrangulata). But it has been very difficult or can be very >> difficult to identify plants from only a few photos. What I do need is a >> good close up photos of the flowers and a photo of the fruit cut open. There >> is a hard stone fruit inside, hence the name Bois d’Olive in French from >> where the direct translation Elaeodendron comes from. The stone fruit of E. >> orientale is sharp pointed at both ends. The one of E. balae is completely >> ovoid. >> >> >> >> I would very much learn if there is a history behind the tree. When it was >> planted etc. >> >> >> >> With best wishes, Robert >> >> >> >> *From:* Dinesh Valke [mailto:[email protected]] >> *Sent:* 17 May 2010 09:14 PM >> *To:* satish pardeshi; Tabish; Robert H. Archer; Neil Soares >> *Cc:* efloraofindia >> *Subject:* Re: [efloraofindia:35061] Re: DV - 09MAY10 - 1003 :: ¿ >> Diospyros / Glochidion ? >> >> >> >> Dear friends, >> >> Here are some more photos; hopefully would help in reaching conclusion. >> >> Regards. >> >> >> On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 8:53 PM, Tabish <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Dinesh's pictures agree quite well with the pictures of Elaeodendron >> orientale on the web: >> http://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/showimage/149366/ >> >> http://www.hear.org/starr/images/images/plants/full/starr-090714-2786.jpg >> >> http://www.hear.org/starr/images/images/plants/full/starr-090714-2788.jpg >> - Tabish >> >> >> On May 13, 12:43 pm, Dinesh Valke <[email protected]> wrote: >> > Lots of thanks to everyone !!! >> > Regards. >> > >> >> > On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 1:01 PM, Neil Soares <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> > > Hi Dr. Pardeshi, >> > > Just spoke to Dr.Almeida. The tree in the Zoo is not Cassine >> > > paniculata [which is found growing wild in the Amboli hills]. He feels >> > > that R.R.Fernandez has most likely correctly identified it as >> E.orientale / >> > > C.orientalis [as pointed out by you]. >> > > Regards, >> > > Neil Soares. >> > >> >> > > --- On *Thu, 5/13/10, satish pardeshi <[email protected]>* >> wrote: >> > >> > > From: satish pardeshi <[email protected]> >> >> > > Subject: Re: [efloraofindia:34690] Re: DV - 09MAY10 - 1003 :: ¿ >> Diospyros / >> > > Glochidion ? >> >> > > To: "Neil Soares" <[email protected] <[email protected]>>, >> "indiantreepix" < >> >> > > [email protected]> >> > > Date: Thursday, May 13, 2010, 12:47 PM >> > >> > > yes Neil ji >> > > thats y it took me so much time to identify this plant. i had been >> looking >> > > for its id from last 3-4 years. a line drawing of it is been given in >> the >> > > Fernandez Thesis. >> > >> > > Regards >> > >> >> > > On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 12:45 PM, Neil Soares <[email protected] >> <http://us.mc339.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> >> >> > > > wrote: >> > >> > >> HI, >> > >> Interesting, but there is no mention of Elaeodendron orientale / >> Cassine >> > >> orientalis in Dr.Almeida's ' Flora of Maharashtra'. >> > >> With regards, >> > >> Neil Soares. >> > >> >> > >> --- On *Thu, 5/13/10, Pardeshi S. <[email protected]< >> http://us.mc339.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> >> > >> >* wrote: >> > >> > >> From: Pardeshi S. <[email protected]< >> http://us.mc339.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> >> >> > >> > >> Subject: [efloraofindia:34687] Re: DV - 09MAY10 - 1003 :: ¿ Diospyros >> / >> > >> Glochidion ? >> >> > >> To: "efloraofindia" <[email protected]< >> http://us.mc339.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=indiantree...@googlegrou..<http://us.mc339.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=indiantree...@googlegrou.> >> .> >> >> > >> > >> Date: Thursday, May 13, 2010, 12:33 PM >> > >> > >> Hello all >> > >> I referred R.R.Fernandez thesis on plants of Bombay 1959. >> > >> according to it it is Elaeodendron orientale J. Jacq. >> > >> Synonym: Cassine orientalis (J. Jacq.) Kuntze >> > >> > >> if possible i will post a line drawing of it given in the thesis. >> > >> > >> Regards >> > >> Satish Pardeshi >> > >> >> > >> On May 12, 8:18 am, Neil Soares <[email protected]< >> http://us.mc339.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]>> >> >> > >> wrote: >> > >> > Hi Tanay, >> > >> > As Dinesh knows this is definitely not Cassine glauca. Sending >> you >> > >> photographs of Cassine glauca for comparison. It is also not >> Diospyros >> > >> malabarica. >> > >> > Regards, >> > >> > Neil. >> > >> >> > >> > --- On Wed, 5/12/10, tanay bose <[email protected]< >> http://us.mc339.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]>> >> > >> wrote: >> > >> > >> > From: tanay bose <[email protected] <tanaybos...@gmailcom>< >> http://us.mc339.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> >> >> > >> > >> > Subject: Re: [efloraofindia:34585] DV - 09MAY10 - 1003 :: ¿ >> Diospyros / >> > >> Glochidion ? >> >> > >> > To: "R. Vijayasankar" <[email protected]< >> http://us.mc339.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> >> > >> > >> > Cc: "Dinesh Valke" <[email protected]< >> http://us.mc339.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]<http://us.mc339mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> >> >>, >> > >> "efloraofindia" <[email protected]< >> http://us.mc339.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=indiantree...@googlegrou...> >> >> > >> > >> > Date: Wednesday, May 12, 2010, 8:00 AM >> > >> > >> > Dear Dinesh Ji, >> > >> > >> > I think this is Cassine glauca (Rottb.) O. Ktze Like Vijayasankar >> Ji. I >> > >> am adding the description of the plant... >> > >> > >> > A large tree; branchlets reddish; bark red inside, exuding a watery >> sap >> > >> when cut. Leaves opposite or sub-opposite, 3-16 x 1.5-7.5 cm, >> elliptic, >> > >> ovate-oblong or obovate, glabrous, dark green, shining above, >> glaucous >> > >> beneath; petiole 0.5-1 cm long, channelled. Cymes axillary, >> dichotomous, >> > >> 7.5-12 cm long; peduncle 2.5-6.5 cm long, often red. Flower 5 mm in >> > >> diameter, whitish; calyx 4-5-lobed, lobes rounded, margin membranous; >> > >> stamens included, filaments recurved, anthers with a 2-lobed >> connective. >> > >> Ovary adnate to the disc; style very short, persistent. Fruit a dry, >> ovoid, >> > >> drupe, 1-15 cm long, 1-celled, 1-seeded. >> > >> > Regards >> > >> > Tanay >> > >> > >> > On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 3:42 AM, R. Vijayasankar < >> >> > >> [email protected] <[email protected]>< >> http://us.mc339.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]>> >> >> > >> wrote: >> > >> > >> > Dinesh ji, the flowers remind me Cassine. (not C. glauca, certainly >> not >> > >> Diospyros). >> > >> > >> > Let's hear from other members. >> > >> > >> > With regards >> > >> > >> > R. Vijayasankar >> > >> >> > >> > On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 1:20 PM, Dinesh Valke < >> [email protected]< >> http://us.mc339.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]<http://us.mc339.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> >> >> >> >> > >> wrote: >> > >> > >> > Dear friends, >> > >> > Confused between Diospyros (malabarica) and Glochidion .. and ID >> could >> > >> be none of these !! >> > >> > The flowers and fruits are mismatching. >> > >> > (Please bear the photo quality). >> > >> > >> > Date/Time : May 9, 2010 at 10.03am IST >> > >> > Location Place : Veermata Jijabai Bhosale Udyan (Rani Bagh), >> Mumbai. >> > >> > >> > Altitude : 10 m >> > >> > GPS : 18°58'43.56"N, 72°50'9.81"E ± few seconds >> > >> > >> > Habitat : garden (however must be found wild in Western Ghats) >> > >> > Type : ... >> > >> > >> > Plant >> > >> > Habit : tree >> > >> > Height : about 8 -12 m >> > >> > Length : - not a climber - >> > >> > >> > Leaves >> > >> > Type : simple, alternately placed (possibly whorling), coarsely >> serrate >> > >> (or is it dentate, do not know) >> > >> > Shape : elliptic, rounded at both ends >> > >> > Size : 8 - 10 cm x 2.5 - 3.5 cm >> > >> > >> > Inflorescence >> > >> > Type : axillary cymous >> > >> > Size : about 6 cm >> > >> > >> > Flowers >> > >> > Size : about 10 mm >> > >> > Colour : off-white (cream) >> > >> > Calyx : do not know >> > >> > Bracts : - no bracts - >> > >> > >> > Fruits >> > >> > Type : ¿ drupe ? >> > >> > Shape : ovoid >> > >> > Size : about 3 cm >> > >> > Seeds : do not know >> > >> > >> > Other Info >> > >> > Fragrance : do not know >> > >> > Pollinator : do not know >> > >> > Uses : do not know >> > >> > >> > Regards. >> > >> > >> > -- >> > >> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> > >> Groups "efloraofindia" group. >> >> > >> > To post to this group, send email to >> [email protected]< >> http://us.mc339.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=indiantree...@googlegrou...> >> >> > >> . >> > >> > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to indiantreepix+ >> >> > >> [email protected]< >> http://us.mc339.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=unsubscr...@googlegroups...> >> >> > >> . >> > >> > For more options, visit this group at >> > >>http://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix?hl=en. >> > >> > >> > -- >> > >> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> > >> Groups "efloraofindia" group. >> >> > >> > To post to this group, send email to >> [email protected]< >> http://us.mc339.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=indiantree...@googlegrou...> >> >> > >> . >> > >> > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to indiantreepix+ >> >> > >> [email protected]< >> http://us.mc339.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=unsubscr...@googlegroups...> >> >> > >> . >> > >> > For more options, visit this group at >> > >>http://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix?hl=en. >> > >> > >> > -- >> >> > >> > Tanay Bose >> > >> > +91(033) 25550676 (Resi) >> > >> > 9830439691(Mobile) >> > >> > 9674221362 (Mobile) >> > >> > >> > -- >> > >> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> > >> Groups "efloraofindia" group. >> >> > >> > To post to this group, send email to >> [email protected]< >> http://us.mc339.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=indiantree...@googlegrou...> >> >> > >> . >> > >> > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to indiantreepix+ >> >> > >> [email protected]< >> http://us.mc339.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=unsubscr...@googlegroups...> >> >> > >> . >> > >> > For more options, visit this group at >> > >>http://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix?hl=en. >> > >> > >> > -- >> > >> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> > >> Groups "efloraofindia" group. >> >> > >> > To post to this group, send email to >> [email protected]< >> http://us.mc339.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=indiantree...@googlegrou...> >> >> > >> . >> > >> > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to indiantreepix+ >> >> > >> [email protected]< >> http://us.mc339.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=unsubscr...@googlegroups...> >> >> > >> . >> > >> > For more options, visit this group at >> > >>http://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix?hl=en. >> > >> >> > >> > Cassine glauca flowers.jpg >> > >> > 89KViewDownload >> > >> > >> > Cassine glauca,Bhutuxia fruit.jpg >> > >> > 66KViewDownload >> > >> > >> -- >> > >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> Groups >> > >> "efloraofindia" group. >> >> > >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]< >> http://us.mc339.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=indiantree...@googlegrou...> >> >> > >> . >> > >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to indiantreepix+ >> >> > >> [email protected]< >> http://us.mc339.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=unsubscr...@googlegroups...> >> >> > >> . >> > >> For more options, visit this group at >> > >>http://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix?hl=en. >> > >> > > -- >> > > Satish Pardeshi >> > > Plant Taxonomist >> > > Mumbai, Pune >> > > -- >> > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> Groups >> > > "efloraofindia" group. >> > > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> >> > > [email protected]<indiantreepix%[email protected]> >> <indiantreepix%[email protected]<indiantreepix%[email protected]> >> > >> >> > > . >> > > For more options, visit this group at >> > >http://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix?hl=en. >> > >> > > -- >> > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> Groups >> > > "efloraofindia" group. >> > > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> > >> >> > ... >> > >> > read more » >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "efloraofindia" group. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> [email protected]<indiantreepix%[email protected]> >> . >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix?hl=en. >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> VISIT OUR NEW WEBSITE ----BIODIVERSITY ADVISOR---- ON >> HTTP://BIODIVERSITYADVISOR.SANBI.ORG/ >> >> Think before you print. 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