Great Dinesh ji. Thanks for the efforts and this interesting new addition to the database.
regards, Rashida. On Sat, May 22, 2010 at 5:07 PM, Prashant awale <[email protected]> wrote: > That is simply superb. Ultimate dedication Dinesh. > Cheers > Prashant > > > On Sat, May 22, 2010 at 5:01 PM, Dinesh Valke <[email protected]>wrote: > >> Dear friends, >> Today collected (fallen) fruits of this *Elaeodendron* tree. >> Photos attached ... tried cutting one of the fruit with a (sharp) knife >> ... just could not cut the hard stone inside. >> And as seen in photo ... sharp pointed at both ends. >> >> Finally: *Elaeodendron orientale*. >> >> Many thanks to all: >> ... Dr Robert Archer for providing the description of the fruit and seed; >> thus further validating ID suggested by >> ... Satish Pardeshi ji (R. R. Fernandez) and, >> ... Neil ji (Dr. Almeida). >> >> >> >> Regards. >> >> >> >> >> >> On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 10:22 PM, Dinesh Valke <[email protected]>wrote: >> >>> Agreed Satish ji, hoping to do that on this Saturday !! >>> Regards. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 10:14 PM, satish pardeshi < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Hello Dinesh ji >>>> i used to search for fruits and flowers of very high trees at the >>>> dumping ground at jijamata udyan. i used to go very early in the morning >>>> before the worker start cleaning the place, so that i can collect fallen >>>> fruits and flowers which are otherwise difficult to collect n photograph. i >>>> am sure u may get some fallen fruit of this Eleaodendron plant. >>>> >>>> Regards >>>> Satish Pardeshi >>>> >>>> >>>> On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 4:29 PM, Dinesh Valke >>>> <[email protected]>wrote: >>>> >>>>> Dear Dr Robert and friends, ... the suspense may remain until we get to >>>>> see inside a fruit ... (that particular day searched in vain for any >>>>> fallen >>>>> fruit). >>>>> But of course, may reach VJBU next week too ... hopefully, one of the >>>>> staff person may help me with a fruit (am trying to be too optimistic) ... >>>>> the fruits and flowers are at a great height; and hardly any of them can >>>>> be >>>>> seen, looks like the season is fading. >>>>> >>>>> Will keep posted. >>>>> >>>>> Regards. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> 2010/5/18 Robert H. Archer <[email protected]> >>>>> >>>>> Dear Dinesh Ji and friends >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> I have been very surprised. It is almost if there are two species. The >>>>>> leaves looks like Elaeodendron orientale and the tree, bark and habit >>>>>> looks >>>>>> like Elaeodendron balae. However, I am accepting this tree is quite an >>>>>> old >>>>>> Elaeodendron orientale. Probably at least 50 to 60 years old or older if >>>>>> it >>>>>> has been diseased at one time. These two species are very similar, and >>>>>> both >>>>>> has been planted in various Botanic Gardens over the world. And of course >>>>>> there have been an immense amount of confusion between the two. Plants >>>>>> from >>>>>> Honololu are clearly E. orientale. Plants from Durban, South Africa, >>>>>> Brisbane, Australia and Florida are clearly E. balae (It also has been >>>>>> called Cassine quadrangulata). But it has been very difficult or can be >>>>>> very >>>>>> difficult to identify plants from only a few photos. What I do need is a >>>>>> good close up photos of the flowers and a photo of the fruit cut open. >>>>>> There >>>>>> is a hard stone fruit inside, hence the name Bois d’Olive in French from >>>>>> where the direct translation Elaeodendron comes from. The stone fruit of >>>>>> E. >>>>>> orientale is sharp pointed at both ends. The one of E. balae is >>>>>> completely >>>>>> ovoid. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> I would very much learn if there is a history behind the tree. When it >>>>>> was planted etc. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> With best wishes, Robert >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> *From:* Dinesh Valke [mailto:[email protected]] >>>>>> *Sent:* 17 May 2010 09:14 PM >>>>>> *To:* satish pardeshi; Tabish; Robert H. Archer; Neil Soares >>>>>> *Cc:* efloraofindia >>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [efloraofindia:35061] Re: DV - 09MAY10 - 1003 :: ¿ >>>>>> Diospyros / Glochidion ? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Dear friends, >>>>>> >>>>>> Here are some more photos; hopefully would help in reaching >>>>>> conclusion. >>>>>> >>>>>> Regards. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 8:53 PM, Tabish <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Dinesh's pictures agree quite well with the pictures of Elaeodendron >>>>>> orientale on the web: >>>>>> http://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/showimage/149366/ >>>>>> >>>>>> http://www.hear.org/starr/images/images/plants/full/starr-090714-2786.jpg >>>>>> >>>>>> http://www.hear.org/starr/images/images/plants/full/starr-090714-2788.jpg >>>>>> - Tabish >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On May 13, 12:43 pm, Dinesh Valke <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> > Lots of thanks to everyone !!! >>>>>> > Regards. >>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>> > On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 1:01 PM, Neil Soares < >>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> > > Hi Dr. Pardeshi, >>>>>> > > Just spoke to Dr.Almeida. The tree in the Zoo is not Cassine >>>>>> > > paniculata [which is found growing wild in the Amboli hills]. He >>>>>> feels >>>>>> > > that R.R.Fernandez has most likely correctly identified it as >>>>>> E.orientale / >>>>>> > > C.orientalis [as pointed out by you]. >>>>>> > > Regards, >>>>>> > > Neil Soares. >>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>> > > --- On *Thu, 5/13/10, satish pardeshi <[email protected]>* >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> > >>>>>> > > From: satish pardeshi <[email protected]> >>>>>> >>>>>> > > Subject: Re: [efloraofindia:34690] Re: DV - 09MAY10 - 1003 :: ¿ >>>>>> Diospyros / >>>>>> > > Glochidion ? >>>>>> >>>>>> > > To: "Neil Soares" <[email protected] <[email protected]>>, >>>>>> "indiantreepix" < >>>>>> >>>>>> > > [email protected]> >>>>>> > > Date: Thursday, May 13, 2010, 12:47 PM >>>>>> > >>>>>> > > yes Neil ji >>>>>> > > thats y it took me so much time to identify this plant. i had been >>>>>> looking >>>>>> > > for its id from last 3-4 years. a line drawing of it is been given >>>>>> in the >>>>>> > > Fernandez Thesis. >>>>>> > >>>>>> > > Regards >>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>> > > On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 12:45 PM, Neil Soares < >>>>>> [email protected]< >>>>>> http://us.mc339.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> >>>>>> >>>>>> > > > wrote: >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >> HI, >>>>>> > >> Interesting, but there is no mention of Elaeodendron orientale >>>>>> / Cassine >>>>>> > >> orientalis in Dr.Almeida's ' Flora of Maharashtra'. >>>>>> > >> With regards, >>>>>> > >> Neil Soares. >>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>> > >> --- On *Thu, 5/13/10, Pardeshi S. <[email protected]< >>>>>> http://us.mc339.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected] >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >> >* wrote: >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >> From: Pardeshi S. <[email protected]< >>>>>> http://us.mc339.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected] >>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >> Subject: [efloraofindia:34687] Re: DV - 09MAY10 - 1003 :: ¿ >>>>>> Diospyros / >>>>>> > >> Glochidion ? >>>>>> >>>>>> > >> To: "efloraofindia" <[email protected]< >>>>>> http://us.mc339.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=indiantree...@googlegrou..<http://us.mc339.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=indiantree...@googlegrou.> >>>>>> .> >>>>>> >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >> Date: Thursday, May 13, 2010, 12:33 PM >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >> Hello all >>>>>> > >> I referred R.R.Fernandez thesis on plants of Bombay 1959. >>>>>> > >> according to it it is Elaeodendron orientale J. Jacq. >>>>>> > >> Synonym: Cassine orientalis (J. Jacq.) Kuntze >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >> if possible i will post a line drawing of it given in the thesis. >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >> Regards >>>>>> > >> Satish Pardeshi >>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>> > >> On May 12, 8:18 am, Neil Soares <[email protected]< >>>>>> http://us.mc339.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]>> >>>>>> >>>>>> > >> wrote: >>>>>> > >> > Hi Tanay, >>>>>> > >> > As Dinesh knows this is definitely not Cassine glauca. >>>>>> Sending you >>>>>> > >> photographs of Cassine glauca for comparison. It is also not >>>>>> Diospyros >>>>>> > >> malabarica. >>>>>> > >> > Regards, >>>>>> > >> > Neil. >>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>> > >> > --- On Wed, 5/12/10, tanay bose <[email protected]< >>>>>> http://us.mc339.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]>> >>>>>> > >> wrote: >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >> > From: tanay bose <[email protected] <tanaybos...@gmailcom> >>>>>> <http://us.mc339.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> >>>>>> >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >> > Subject: Re: [efloraofindia:34585] DV - 09MAY10 - 1003 :: ¿ >>>>>> Diospyros / >>>>>> > >> Glochidion ? >>>>>> >>>>>> > >> > To: "R. Vijayasankar" <[email protected]< >>>>>> http://us.mc339.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected] >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >> > Cc: "Dinesh Valke" <[email protected]< >>>>>> http://us.mc339.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]<http://us.mc339mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> >>>>>> >>, >>>>>> > >> "efloraofindia" <[email protected]< >>>>>> http://us.mc339.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=indiantree...@googlegrou.. >>>>>> .> >>>>>> >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >> > Date: Wednesday, May 12, 2010, 8:00 AM >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >> > Dear Dinesh Ji, >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >> > I think this is Cassine glauca (Rottb.) O. Ktze Like >>>>>> Vijayasankar Ji. I >>>>>> > >> am adding the description of the plant... >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >> > A large tree; branchlets reddish; bark red inside, exuding a >>>>>> watery sap >>>>>> > >> when cut. Leaves opposite or sub-opposite, 3-16 x 1.5-7.5 cm, >>>>>> elliptic, >>>>>> > >> ovate-oblong or obovate, glabrous, dark green, shining above, >>>>>> glaucous >>>>>> > >> beneath; petiole 0.5-1 cm long, channelled. Cymes axillary, >>>>>> dichotomous, >>>>>> > >> 7.5-12 cm long; peduncle 2.5-6.5 cm long, often red. Flower 5 mm >>>>>> in >>>>>> > >> diameter, whitish; calyx 4-5-lobed, lobes rounded, margin >>>>>> membranous; >>>>>> > >> stamens included, filaments recurved, anthers with a 2-lobed >>>>>> connective. >>>>>> > >> Ovary adnate to the disc; style very short, persistent. Fruit a >>>>>> dry, ovoid, >>>>>> > >> drupe, 1-15 cm long, 1-celled, 1-seeded. >>>>>> > >> > Regards >>>>>> > >> > Tanay >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >> > On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 3:42 AM, R. Vijayasankar < >>>>>> >>>>>> > >> [email protected] <[email protected]>< >>>>>> http://us.mc339.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected] >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >>>>>> > >> wrote: >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >> > Dinesh ji, the flowers remind me Cassine. (not C. glauca, >>>>>> certainly not >>>>>> > >> Diospyros). >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >> > Let's hear from other members. >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >> > With regards >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >> > R. Vijayasankar >>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>> > >> > On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 1:20 PM, Dinesh Valke < >>>>>> [email protected]< >>>>>> http://us.mc339.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]<http://us.mc339.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >>>>>> > >> wrote: >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >> > Dear friends, >>>>>> > >> > Confused between Diospyros (malabarica) and Glochidion .. and >>>>>> ID could >>>>>> > >> be none of these !! >>>>>> > >> > The flowers and fruits are mismatching. >>>>>> > >> > (Please bear the photo quality). >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >> > Date/Time : May 9, 2010 at 10.03am IST >>>>>> > >> > Location Place : Veermata Jijabai Bhosale Udyan (Rani Bagh), >>>>>> Mumbai. >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >> > Altitude : 10 m >>>>>> > >> > GPS : 18°58'43.56"N, 72°50'9.81"E ± few seconds >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >> > Habitat : garden (however must be found wild in Western Ghats) >>>>>> > >> > Type : ... >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >> > Plant >>>>>> > >> > Habit : tree >>>>>> > >> > Height : about 8 -12 m >>>>>> > >> > Length : - not a climber - >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >> > Leaves >>>>>> > >> > Type : simple, alternately placed (possibly whorling), coarsely >>>>>> serrate >>>>>> > >> (or is it dentate, do not know) >>>>>> > >> > Shape : elliptic, rounded at both ends >>>>>> > >> > Size : 8 - 10 cm x 2.5 - 3.5 cm >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >> > Inflorescence >>>>>> > >> > Type : axillary cymous >>>>>> > >> > Size : about 6 cm >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >> > Flowers >>>>>> > >> > Size : about 10 mm >>>>>> > >> > Colour : off-white (cream) >>>>>> > >> > Calyx : do not know >>>>>> > >> > Bracts : - no bracts - >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >> > Fruits >>>>>> > >> > Type : ¿ drupe ? >>>>>> > >> > Shape : ovoid >>>>>> > >> > Size : about 3 cm >>>>>> > >> > Seeds : do not know >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >> > Other Info >>>>>> > >> > Fragrance : do not know >>>>>> > >> > Pollinator : do not know >>>>>> > >> > Uses : do not know >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >> > Regards. >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >> > -- >>>>>> > >> > You received this message because you are subscribed 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