Thanks, Ashwini ji, for the wonderful images. I will go for Viola pilosa <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/m---z/v/violaceae/viola/viola-pilosa> only. Stipules are quite variable.
On Sat, 21 Mar 2020 at 19:37, Ashwini Bhatia <[email protected]> wrote: > Dear Mr. Garg, > I have collected more evidence for this species and am nowhere closer to a > proper ID. A few points: > > 1. The flowers are almost always violet. I am yet to see a lighter > violet/white variety in this species. > 2. The flowering starts in January and the flowers are seen till April. > 3. The lower petal is the same size as the other petals and is always > prominently visible. > 4. The lateral petals have hairs at their base but the hairs are not > conspicuous. > 5. The top part of each stamen is deep yellow. The stamens cover the style > for most of its length with only the stigma and a little of the style > visible above the stamen ring. > 6. The style is club shaped and beaked at the top. The ovary is only > sparsely hairy. > 7. The two nectary appendages are smooth and green. > 8. The stipules are laciniate in my opinion. There may be a mix of of > laciniate and toothed stipules on the same plant. > 9. I am yet to discern an aroma from the flowers. > > Based on these points and looking at the images, if you could suggest a > possible match, I would be very grateful. > > Thank you. > > With regards, > Ashwini > > > > > > > On Fri, 20 Mar 2020 at 12:50, Ashwini Bhatia <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Dear Mr. Garg, >> Thank you very much for pursuing this again. I am also looking at the >> viols closely at the moment. I have a feeling that this species is neither >> *V. >> pilosa* nor *V. canescens* but some other species, closer to V. indica >> perhaps. >> >> I will file more photos of the two species flowering here in a day or >> two. If we can find some more details on the nectar glands (or nectary >> appendages) for *V. pilosa* and *V. canescens*, that could be of great >> help. >> >> Warm regards, >> Ashwini >> >> >> >> >> On 20-Mar-2020, at 9:43 AM, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Also ovary is glabrous here (in V. pilosa) in comparison to hairy in V. >> canescens >> Also stipule is ciliate here (in V. pilosa) in comparison to laciniate in >> V. canescens >> >> On Fri, 20 Mar 2020 at 09:37, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Also ovary is glabrous. >>> >>> On Thu, 19 Mar 2020 at 17:11, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> As per keys in Flora of Pakistan: >>>> 13 (12) >>>> <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=5&taxon_id=134607#KEY-1-12> >>>> Stigma >>>> beaked. Ovary glabrous (14) >>>> <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=5&taxon_id=134607#KEY-1-14> >>>> + Stigma club shaped. Ovary hairy 2 Viola canescens >>>> <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=5&taxon_id=200014339> >>>> >>>> 14 (13) >>>> <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=5&taxon_id=134607#KEY-1-13> >>>> Leaves >>>> acuminate. Sepals lanceolate, acute, ciliate-dentate 3 Viola pilosa >>>> <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=5&taxon_id=200014403> >>>> + Leaves obtuse. Sepals ovate, obtuse, entire 1 Viola odorata >>>> <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=5&taxon_id=200014395> >>>> >>>> Keys as per Flora of Mizoram in efi thread >>>> <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/indiantreepix/wtQZmTabRQ0>: >>>> Leaves broadly canescent, obtuse; flower pale-violet --- Viola canescens >>>> Leaves pilose, deltoid, acuminate; flowers white to bluish --- Viola >>>> pilosa >>>> >>>> Here stigma is beaked and not club shaped. Leaves are acuminate and not >>>> obtuse. >>>> So, it should be *Viola pilosa* Blume >>>> >>>> ---------- Forwarded message --------- >>>> From: Ashwini Bhatia <[email protected]> >>>> Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2016 at 23:32 >>>> Subject: [efloraofindia:240314] V. pilosa (V. serpens)? ABMAR01/05 >>>> To: efloraofindia <[email protected]> >>>> >>>> >>>> These flowers are very abundant in our area (much more so than *V. >>>> canescens*) and I find them scattered everywhere on the hill sides on >>>> my daily walks. I have been seeing them since January but they started >>>> coming out in good numbers around mid-February. These are larger >>>> lilac/lavender flowers with broad lower lip and a hint of contrasting >>>> bright yellow around the stigma. The runners are quite common and the >>>> stipules toothed. I have seen several capsules with sepals and stigma still >>>> attached. The leaves and stems are softly hairy but much less so than those >>>> of *V. canescens*. >>>> >>>> Now the troubling part. While typing this message and looking at my >>>> data closely, I have managed to convince myself that I am not certain of >>>> its ID. Here is why: >>>> >>>> *Viola serpens* is a synonym of *Viola pilosa* which is now the >>>> accepted name according to the Plant List; >>>> http://www.theplantlist.org/tpl1.1/record/tro-33801418 >>>> >>>> A search for *V. pilosa* on FlowersofIndia.net >>>> <http://flowersofindia.net/> shows a completely different flower but >>>> Alok Mahendroo ji’s blog shows the same flower as the one below under *V. >>>> serpens*. If they are synonyms then I am baffled yet again. There is >>>> more—flowersofindia gives *V. serpens* as a synonym also of *V. indica* (an >>>> unresolved name according to the Plant List), the photos of which look very >>>> similar to my sample, but my flowers are definitely not fragrant. It could >>>> be that *V. pilosa* has great variation in colour, size and shape and >>>> that my sample is *V. pilosa* aka *V. serpens*. >>>> >>>> First here is a page from the Linnean Society Journal which lists *V. >>>> canescens* as white and much smaller that *V. serpens*. My flower >>>> matches the description of *V. serpens*. >>>> >>>> I am not sure how to proceed from here. Is my sample *V. pilosa* or a >>>> hybrid or a local variation? Is it a variety of *Viola canina*? I am >>>> in great need of >>>> expert advice. Please help. >>>> >>>> Thanks. >>>> Ashwini >>>> <Screen Shot 2016-03-03 at 22.57.59.png> >>>> <80237.jpg> >>>> <232617.jpg> >>>> <_MG_1629_02Mar2016.jpg><_MG_1753_02Mar2016.jpg> >>>> <_MG_1538_02Mar2016.jpg> >>>> <_MG_1223_29Feb2016.jpg> >>>> <_MG_0859_26Feb2016.jpg> >>>> <_MG_1637_02Mar2016.jpg> >>>> <_MG_1571_02Mar2016.jpg> >>>> <_MG_1542_02Mar2016.jpg> >>>> <_MG_1543_02Mar2016.jpg> >>>> <_MG_2040_03Mar2016.jpg> >>>> <_MG_1638_02Mar2016.jpg> >>>> <_MG_1601_02Mar2016.jpg> >>>> <_MG_1578_02Mar2016.jpg> >>>> <_MG_1589_02Mar2016.jpg> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "efloraofindia" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>> an email to [email protected]. >>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix. >>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> With regards, >>>> J.M.Garg >>>> 'Creating awareness of Indian Flora & Fauna' >>>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jmgarg1> >>>> Winner of Wipro-NFS Sparrow Awards 2014 for efloraofindia >>>> <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/award-for-efloraofindia>. >>>> For identification, learning, discussion & documentation of Indian >>>> Flora, please visit/ join our Efloraofindia Google e-group >>>> <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/indiantreepix> (largest in >>>> the world- more than 3,000 members & 3,00,000 messages on 23.8.18) or >>>> Efloraofindia >>>> website <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/> (with a species >>>> database of more than 13,000 species & 3,00,000 images of which more than >>>> 2,00,000 images are directly displayed on 30.8.19). >>>> The whole world uses my Image Resource >>>> <http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:J.M.Garg> of more than a >>>> thousand species & eight thousand images of Birds, Butterflies, Plants etc. >>>> (arranged alphabetically & place-wise). 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You can also use them for free as >>> per Creative Commons license attached with each image. >>> Also author of 'A Photoguide to the Birds of Kolkata & Common Birds of >>> India'. >>> >> >> >> -- >> With regards, >> J.M.Garg >> 'Creating awareness of Indian Flora & Fauna' >> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jmgarg1> >> Winner of Wipro-NFS Sparrow Awards 2014 for efloraofindia >> <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/award-for-efloraofindia>. >> For identification, learning, discussion & documentation of Indian Flora, >> please visit/ join our Efloraofindia Google e-group >> <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/indiantreepix> (largest in the >> world- more than 3,000 members & 3,00,000 messages on 23.8.18) or >> Efloraofindia >> website <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/> (with a species >> database of more than 13,000 species & 3,00,000 images of which more than >> 2,00,000 images are directly displayed on 30.8.19). >> The whole world uses my Image Resource >> <http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:J.M.Garg> of more than a >> thousand species & eight thousand images of Birds, Butterflies, Plants etc. >> (arranged alphabetically & place-wise). 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