Thanks, Ashwini ji. I think there appears to be lot of variations in different aspects in this species. Ultimately, we have to rely of key features as per Flora of Pakistan <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=5&taxon_id=134607> as below: 13 (12) <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=5&taxon_id=134607#KEY-1-12> Stigma beaked. Ovary glabrous (14) <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=5&taxon_id=134607#KEY-1-14> + Stigma club shaped. Ovary hairy 2 Viola canescens <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=5&taxon_id=200014339>
14 (13) <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=5&taxon_id=134607#KEY-1-13> Leaves acuminate. Sepals lanceolate, acute, ciliate-dentate 3 Viola pilosa <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=5&taxon_id=200014403> + Leaves obtuse. Sepals ovate, obtuse, entire 1 Viola odorata <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=5&taxon_id=200014395> I do not find any other species except Viola pilosa <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/m---z/v/violaceae/viola/viola-pilosa>, closer to your post, after going through all the posts in efi site, FOI site and various other online resources. On Fri, 27 Mar 2020 at 13:47, Ashwini Bhatia <[email protected]> wrote: > Thank you Mr. Garg. Sorry for the delay in replying. I was utilising my > indoor stay to look up more Viola resources. I am still not fully convinced > that this is *Viola pilosa*, especially if the other plants submitted by > Saroj ji and Anurag are also the same species. Please let me explain my > doubts: > > 1. FOC says that the anterior petal is the shortest in *V. pilosa*, in my > samples it is not the case. In Anurag > <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/indiantreepix/Uwu7e-CAMnM> and Saroj > ji’s <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/indiantreepix/b-0KWOphM8g> > posts, > the anterior petal is visibly narrower and shorter than the rest. In this > sense they have a better claim to be *V. pilosa* than my sample. > > 2. The style in both posts projects well beyond the stamens and does not > look inflated. In my samples that is not the case. > > 3. The lateral sepals in both posts are conspicuously bearded at the base. > In my samples, the hair is difficult to see without magnification. > > 4. The flower colour in both posts is closer to white, agreeing with the *V. > pilosa*. My samples are uniformly mauve and I have found only one > close-to-white flower amongst hundreds of plants. > > I hope you understand my concern regarding this viola. I am at it for > close to five years and still not sure of its identity. > > Thank you once again. > > Warm regards, > Ashwini > > > > > On 21-Mar-2020, at 9:01 PM, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: > > Thanks, Ashwini ji, for the wonderful images. > I will go for Viola pilosa > <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/m---z/v/violaceae/viola/viola-pilosa> > only. > Stipules are quite variable. > > On Sat, 21 Mar 2020 at 19:37, Ashwini Bhatia <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Dear Mr. Garg, >> I have collected more evidence for this species and am nowhere closer to >> a proper ID. A few points: >> >> 1. The flowers are almost always violet. I am yet to see a lighter >> violet/white variety in this species. >> 2. The flowering starts in January and the flowers are seen till April. >> 3. The lower petal is the same size as the other petals and is always >> prominently visible. >> 4. The lateral petals have hairs at their base but the hairs are not >> conspicuous. >> 5. The top part of each stamen is deep yellow. The stamens cover the >> style for most of its length with only the stigma and a little of the style >> visible above the stamen ring. >> 6. The style is club shaped and beaked at the top. The ovary is only >> sparsely hairy. >> 7. The two nectary appendages are smooth and green. >> 8. The stipules are laciniate in my opinion. There may be a mix of of >> laciniate and toothed stipules on the same plant. >> 9. I am yet to discern an aroma from the flowers. >> >> Based on these points and looking at the images, if you could suggest a >> possible match, I would be very grateful. >> >> Thank you. >> >> With regards, >> Ashwini >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Fri, 20 Mar 2020 at 12:50, Ashwini Bhatia <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> Dear Mr. Garg, >>> Thank you very much for pursuing this again. I am also looking at the >>> viols closely at the moment. I have a feeling that this species is neither >>> *V. pilosa* nor *V. canescens* but some other species, closer to V. >>> indica perhaps. >>> >>> I will file more photos of the two species flowering here in a day or >>> two. If we can find some more details on the nectar glands (or nectary >>> appendages) for *V. pilosa* and *V. canescens*, that could be of great >>> help. >>> >>> Warm regards, >>> Ashwini >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On 20-Mar-2020, at 9:43 AM, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> Also ovary is glabrous here (in V. pilosa) in comparison to hairy in V. >>> canescens >>> Also stipule is ciliate here (in V. pilosa) in comparison to laciniate >>> in V. canescens >>> >>> On Fri, 20 Mar 2020 at 09:37, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Also ovary is glabrous. >>>> >>>> On Thu, 19 Mar 2020 at 17:11, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> As per keys in Flora of Pakistan: >>>>> 13 (12) >>>>> <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=5&taxon_id=134607#KEY-1-12> >>>>> Stigma >>>>> beaked. Ovary glabrous (14) >>>>> <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=5&taxon_id=134607#KEY-1-14> >>>>> + Stigma club shaped. Ovary hairy 2 Viola canescens >>>>> <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=5&taxon_id=200014339> >>>>> >>>>> 14 (13) >>>>> <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=5&taxon_id=134607#KEY-1-13> >>>>> Leaves >>>>> acuminate. Sepals lanceolate, acute, ciliate-dentate 3 Viola pilosa >>>>> <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=5&taxon_id=200014403> >>>>> + Leaves obtuse. Sepals ovate, obtuse, entire 1 Viola odorata >>>>> <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=5&taxon_id=200014395> >>>>> >>>>> Keys as per Flora of Mizoram in efi thread >>>>> <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/indiantreepix/wtQZmTabRQ0>: >>>>> Leaves broadly canescent, obtuse; flower pale-violet --- Viola >>>>> canescens >>>>> Leaves pilose, deltoid, acuminate; flowers white to bluish --- Viola >>>>> pilosa >>>>> >>>>> Here stigma is beaked and not club shaped. Leaves are acuminate and >>>>> not obtuse. >>>>> So, it should be *Viola pilosa* Blume >>>>> >>>>> ---------- Forwarded message --------- >>>>> From: Ashwini Bhatia <[email protected]> >>>>> Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2016 at 23:32 >>>>> Subject: [efloraofindia:240314] V. pilosa (V. serpens)? ABMAR01/05 >>>>> To: efloraofindia <[email protected]> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> These flowers are very abundant in our area (much more so than *V. >>>>> canescens*) and I find them scattered everywhere on the hill sides on >>>>> my daily walks. I have been seeing them since January but they started >>>>> coming out in good numbers around mid-February. These are larger >>>>> lilac/lavender flowers with broad lower lip and a hint of contrasting >>>>> bright yellow around the stigma. The runners are quite common and the >>>>> stipules toothed. I have seen several capsules with sepals and stigma >>>>> still >>>>> attached. The leaves and stems are softly hairy but much less so than >>>>> those >>>>> of *V. canescens*. >>>>> >>>>> Now the troubling part. While typing this message and looking at my >>>>> data closely, I have managed to convince myself that I am not certain of >>>>> its ID. Here is why: >>>>> >>>>> *Viola serpens* is a synonym of *Viola pilosa* which is now the >>>>> accepted name according to the Plant List; >>>>> http://www.theplantlist.org/tpl1.1/record/tro-33801418 >>>>> >>>>> A search for *V. pilosa* on FlowersofIndia.net >>>>> <http://flowersofindia.net/> shows a completely different flower but >>>>> Alok Mahendroo ji’s blog shows the same flower as the one below under *V. >>>>> serpens*. If they are synonyms then I am baffled yet again. There is >>>>> more—flowersofindia gives *V. serpens* as a synonym also of *V. >>>>> indica* (an unresolved name according to the Plant List), the photos >>>>> of which look very similar to my sample, but my flowers are definitely not >>>>> fragrant. It could be that *V. pilosa* has great variation in colour, >>>>> size and shape and that my sample is *V. pilosa* aka *V. serpens*. >>>>> >>>>> First here is a page from the Linnean Society Journal which lists *V. >>>>> canescens* as white and much smaller that *V. serpens*. My flower >>>>> matches the description of *V. serpens*. >>>>> >>>>> I am not sure how to proceed from here. Is my sample *V. pilosa* or a >>>>> hybrid or a local variation? Is it a variety of *Viola canina*? I am >>>>> in great need of >>>>> expert advice. Please help. >>>>> >>>>> Thanks. >>>>> Ashwini >>>>> <Screen Shot 2016-03-03 at 22.57.59.png> >>>>> <80237.jpg> >>>>> <232617.jpg> >>>>> <_MG_1629_02Mar2016.jpg><_MG_1753_02Mar2016.jpg> >>>>> <_MG_1538_02Mar2016.jpg> >>>>> <_MG_1223_29Feb2016.jpg> >>>>> <_MG_0859_26Feb2016.jpg> >>>>> <_MG_1637_02Mar2016.jpg> >>>>> <_MG_1571_02Mar2016.jpg> >>>>> <_MG_1542_02Mar2016.jpg> >>>>> <_MG_1543_02Mar2016.jpg> >>>>> <_MG_2040_03Mar2016.jpg> >>>>> <_MG_1638_02Mar2016.jpg> >>>>> <_MG_1601_02Mar2016.jpg> >>>>> <_MG_1578_02Mar2016.jpg> >>>>> <_MG_1589_02Mar2016.jpg> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>> Groups "efloraofindia" group. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>>> an email to [email protected]. >>>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix. >>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> With regards, >>>>> J.M.Garg >>>>> 'Creating awareness of Indian Flora & Fauna' >>>>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jmgarg1> >>>>> Winner of Wipro-NFS Sparrow Awards 2014 for efloraofindia >>>>> <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/award-for-efloraofindia> >>>>> . >>>>> For identification, learning, discussion & documentation of Indian >>>>> Flora, please visit/ join our Efloraofindia Google e-group >>>>> <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/indiantreepix> (largest in >>>>> the world- more than 3,000 members & 3,00,000 messages on 23.8.18) or >>>>> Efloraofindia >>>>> website <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/> (with a >>>>> species database of more than 13,000 species & 3,00,000 images of which >>>>> more than 2,00,000 images are directly displayed on 30.8.19). >>>>> The whole world uses my Image Resource >>>>> <http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:J.M.Garg> of more than a >>>>> thousand species & eight thousand images of Birds, Butterflies, Plants >>>>> etc. >>>>> (arranged alphabetically & place-wise). 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