Thanks, Aaratrik ji -- With regards, J. M. Garg
On Sat, 8 Oct, 2022, 7:47 pm Aaratrik Pal, <[email protected]> wrote: > No, both represent T. crustacea. I don't remember any photograph of T. > godefroyi from Southern India. > > On Saturday, October 8, 2022 at 7:42:41 PM UTC+5:30 JM Garg wrote: > >> Hi, Aaratrik ji, >> Can any of the following be *Torenia godefroyi*: >> >> Scrophulariaceae Fortnight: Lindernia crustacea from Kaithal- NS 29 >> <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/indiantreepix/lSYABMJR-XI> >> PM1 22-09-2017 Id confirmation from chandigarh. Is it Lindernia crustacea? >> <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/indiantreepix/z5RCCxai7Uc> >> >> Or are the fruits still immature to say anything? >> >> >> On Sat, 8 Oct 2022 at 19:26, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Thanks a lot, Aratrik ji, >>> If you see Dinesh ji's plant, the fruiting calyx does not cover the >>> capsule completely. >>> So it has to be Lindernia crustacea >>> <https://efloraofindia.com/2011/03/12/lindernia-crustacea/> only, as >>> you confirmed earlier to Dinesh ji. >>> >>> On Sat, 8 Oct 2022 at 19:24, Aaratrik Pal <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Torenia godefroyi and T. lindernoides are synonymous. This species >>>> differs from T. crustacea by having prominent ribbed calyx and the calyx is >>>> enclosing the capsule when mature. T. godefroyi mostly show axillary >>>> flowers and the flowers are more whitish with tint of magenta. I'm >>>> attaching a paper related to T. godefroyi. The image in the paper hopefully >>>> can help. >>>> Thanks and regards, >>>> Aaratrik >>>> On Saturday, October 8, 2022 at 6:36:05 PM UTC+5:30 Tabish wrote: >>>> >>>>> *Torenia crustacea* (Syn: Lindernia crustacea) is a species different >>>>> from *Torenia lindernioides*, and has a wider distribution. It is >>>>> found in the Himalayas, East India, and probably also in Western Ghats. >>>>> The >>>>> key involving these species is listed in Saldanha's paper that I sent. >>>>> Tabish >>>>> ------------------------------------------- >>>>> <http://www.flowersofindia.net>www.flowersofindia.net >>>>> The waterhole of flower lovers >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Sat, Oct 8, 2022 at 11:40 AM J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> However, I am not satisfied with the id as *Torenia godefroyi* or >>>>>> *Torenia >>>>>> lindernioides *(with restricted range in Western Ghats and Cambodia). >>>>>> What about other observations from other areas at Lindernia crustacea >>>>>> <https://efloraofindia.com/2011/03/12/lindernia-crustacea/> like >>>>>> SK 3258 24 December 2021 >>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/g/indiantreepix/c/xoQAkxPsgTg> >>>>>> Lindernia sp. (1) from Hooghly 15/8/12 SK-1 >>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en&fromgroups#!topic/indiantreepix/Huo2W3tvDdU> >>>>>> Lindernia sp. (2) from Hooghly 15/8/12 SK-2 >>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en&fromgroups#!topic/indiantreepix/pAcb_GQuLTE> >>>>>> Lindernia crustacea (L.) F.Muel collected from Kamrup district >>>>>> (Metro), Assam >>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/indiantreepix/KU3HUbO0DnM> >>>>>> Scrophulariaceae Fortnight: Lindernia crustacea from Kaithal- NS 29 >>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/indiantreepix/lSYABMJR-XI> >>>>>> Scrophulariaceae Fortnight: a guest on Lindernia crustacea (L.) >>>>>> F.Muell. : sk03 >>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/indiantreepix/aobL5G85kmA> >>>>>> PM1 22-09-2017 Id confirmation from chandigarh. Is it Lindernia >>>>>> crustacea? >>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/indiantreepix/z5RCCxai7Uc> >>>>>> Torenia thouarsii (Cham. & Schltdl.) Kuntze (accepted name) ?? >>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/indiantreepix/zMNeXJM7Bdc> >>>>>> for id. request. BRS 522 >>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en#!topic/indiantreepix/eWWg23fxCqM> >>>>>> Torenia crustacea (L.) Cham. & Schltdl. >>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/indiantreepix/PAKGAtwmPGI> >>>>>> Validation of Lindernia >>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/indiantreepix/umPk1Q5X8-8> >>>>>> Herb for ID from Jim-Corbett Uttarakhand-GS10032022-2 >>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/g/indiantreepix/c/anOKvYwqBec> >>>>>> >>>>>> In view of the above observations, I feel, we follow the broader >>>>>> circumspection with all these observations as Lindernia crustacea >>>>>> <https://efloraofindia.com/2011/03/12/lindernia-crustacea/> (as we >>>>>> are following now). >>>>>> In view Dinesh ji's plant and other similar observations from Western >>>>>> Ghats may also be retained as Lindernia crustacea >>>>>> <https://efloraofindia.com/2011/03/12/lindernia-crustacea/> only. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Fri, 7 Oct 2022 at 22:00, Tabish <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Just to point out that POWO treats* Torenia godefroyi* and* Torenia >>>>>>> lindernioides *as distinct species, with *Torenia godefroyi* >>>>>>> confied to Cambodia, Laos, Thailand, Vietnam, and *Torenia >>>>>>> lindernioides *confined to the Western Ghats. >>>>>>> Tabish >>>>>>> ------------------------------------------- >>>>>>> <http://www.flowersofindia.net>www.flowersofindia.net >>>>>>> The waterhole of flower lovers >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Fri, Oct 7, 2022 at 11:35 AM J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I think Sunoj ji may finally resolve this issue being an author of >>>>>>>> 'Re-establishment >>>>>>>> of the overlooked species Torenia godefroyi (Linderniaceae), and notes >>>>>>>> on >>>>>>>> the identity of T. lindernioides >>>>>>>> <https://www.researchgate.net/publication/312558634_Re-establishment_of_the_overlooked_species_Torenia_godefroyi_Linderniaceae_and_notes_on_the_identity_of_T_lindernioides>' >>>>>>>> (I am unable to get a hand on it from the net) >>>>>>>> Thanks a lot, Tabish ji, for the inputs. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message --------- >>>>>>>> From: Tabish <[email protected]> >>>>>>>> Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2022 at 09:29 >>>>>>>> Subject: [efloraofindia:434054] Re: Scrophulariaceae fortnight :: >>>>>>>> Lindernia crustacea at Andheri :: DV06 >>>>>>>> To: eFloraofIndia <[email protected]> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> This plant, with distinctly winged calyx, should be *Torenia >>>>>>>> lindernioides* which is endemic to Western Ghats. Please have a >>>>>>>> look at the attached paper. It is closely similar to *Torenia >>>>>>>> crustacea* (Syn: *Lindernia crustacea*) which has unwinged calyx. >>>>>>>> According to the paper: >>>>>>>> "Torenia lindernioides has a distinctly winged calyx which >>>>>>>> completely encloses the mature capsule. The capsule is elongated, >>>>>>>> lelliptic >>>>>>>> in outline and narrowed at the top. Lindernia crustacea, however, has >>>>>>>> sepals that are, at most, slightly thickened in the middle and never >>>>>>>> invest >>>>>>>> the capsule completely." >>>>>>>> Tabish >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Friday, August 16, 2013 at 5:12:18 AM UTC+5:30 Dinesh Valke >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Scrophulariaceae fortnight >>>>>>>>> dog flower family >>>>>>>>> *Lindernia crustacea* (L.) F. Muell. ... also placed in: >>>>>>>>> Linderniaceae Plantaginaceae Veronicaceae >>>>>>>>> at MIDC Andheri on 24 AUG 07 >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> [image: Urikusa (in Japanese)] >>>>>>>>> <http://www.google.com/url?q=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.flickr.com%2Fphotos%2Fdinesh_valke%2F1224907860%2F&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFrqEzc7DxIHJEZQx1njUX_pZEE1_tb5uA> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> [image: Fua Lanumoana (in Samoan)] >>>>>>>>> <http://www.google.com/url?q=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.flickr.com%2Fphotos%2Fdinesh_valke%2F1224061657%2F&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFrqEzdyHN9liuka8KQKrl3l8qM__GKBrg> >>>>>>>>> Regards. >>>>>>>>> Dinesh >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>>> Groups "eFloraofIndia" group. >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>>>> send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>>>> To view this discussion on the web, visit >>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/373ac98b-df9a-4a8f-8799-d45ab3d6eb4bn%40googlegroups.com >>>>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/373ac98b-df9a-4a8f-8799-d45ab3d6eb4bn%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>>>>>> . >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> With regards, >>>>>>>> J.M.Garg >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> With regards, >>>>>> J.M.Garg >>>>>> >>>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "eFloraofIndia" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>> an email to [email protected]. >>>> To view this discussion on the web, visit >>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/9b8f69bf-ef09-467a-abd2-0a75cc9ff7bfn%40googlegroups.com >>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/9b8f69bf-ef09-467a-abd2-0a75cc9ff7bfn%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>> . >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> With regards, >>> J.M.Garg >>> >> >> >> -- >> With regards, >> J.M.Garg >> > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "eFloraofIndia" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To view this discussion on the web, visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/74171bd4-3e44-43fc-9fad-67ffb81a30cbn%40googlegroups.com > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/74171bd4-3e44-43fc-9fad-67ffb81a30cbn%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> > . > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "eFloraofIndia" group. 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