Hi, Aaratrik ji, Can any of the following be *Torenia godefroyi*: Scrophulariaceae Fortnight: Lindernia crustacea from Kaithal- NS 29 <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/indiantreepix/lSYABMJR-XI> PM1 22-09-2017 Id confirmation from chandigarh. Is it Lindernia crustacea? <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/indiantreepix/z5RCCxai7Uc>
Or are the fruits still immature to say anything? On Sat, 8 Oct 2022 at 19:26, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: > Thanks a lot, Aratrik ji, > If you see Dinesh ji's plant, the fruiting calyx does not cover the > capsule completely. > So it has to be Lindernia crustacea > <https://efloraofindia.com/2011/03/12/lindernia-crustacea/> only, as you > confirmed earlier to Dinesh ji. > > On Sat, 8 Oct 2022 at 19:24, Aaratrik Pal <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Torenia godefroyi and T. lindernoides are synonymous. This species >> differs from T. crustacea by having prominent ribbed calyx and the calyx is >> enclosing the capsule when mature. T. godefroyi mostly show axillary >> flowers and the flowers are more whitish with tint of magenta. I'm >> attaching a paper related to T. godefroyi. The image in the paper hopefully >> can help. >> Thanks and regards, >> Aaratrik >> On Saturday, October 8, 2022 at 6:36:05 PM UTC+5:30 Tabish wrote: >> >>> *Torenia crustacea* (Syn: Lindernia crustacea) is a species different >>> from *Torenia lindernioides*, and has a wider distribution. It is found >>> in the Himalayas, East India, and probably also in Western Ghats. The key >>> involving these species is listed in Saldanha's paper that I sent. >>> Tabish >>> ------------------------------------------- >>> <http://www.flowersofindia.net>www.flowersofindia.net >>> The waterhole of flower lovers >>> >>> >>> On Sat, Oct 8, 2022 at 11:40 AM J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> However, I am not satisfied with the id as *Torenia godefroyi* or *Torenia >>>> lindernioides *(with restricted range in Western Ghats and Cambodia). >>>> What about other observations from other areas at Lindernia crustacea >>>> <https://efloraofindia.com/2011/03/12/lindernia-crustacea/> like >>>> SK 3258 24 December 2021 >>>> <https://groups.google.com/g/indiantreepix/c/xoQAkxPsgTg> >>>> Lindernia sp. (1) from Hooghly 15/8/12 SK-1 >>>> <https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en&fromgroups#!topic/indiantreepix/Huo2W3tvDdU> >>>> Lindernia sp. (2) from Hooghly 15/8/12 SK-2 >>>> <https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en&fromgroups#!topic/indiantreepix/pAcb_GQuLTE> >>>> Lindernia crustacea (L.) F.Muel collected from Kamrup district (Metro), >>>> Assam >>>> <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/indiantreepix/KU3HUbO0DnM> >>>> Scrophulariaceae Fortnight: Lindernia crustacea from Kaithal- NS 29 >>>> <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/indiantreepix/lSYABMJR-XI> >>>> Scrophulariaceae Fortnight: a guest on Lindernia crustacea (L.) >>>> F.Muell. : sk03 >>>> <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/indiantreepix/aobL5G85kmA> >>>> PM1 22-09-2017 Id confirmation from chandigarh. Is it Lindernia >>>> crustacea? >>>> <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/indiantreepix/z5RCCxai7Uc> >>>> Torenia thouarsii (Cham. & Schltdl.) Kuntze (accepted name) ?? >>>> <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/indiantreepix/zMNeXJM7Bdc> >>>> for id. request. BRS 522 >>>> <https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en#!topic/indiantreepix/eWWg23fxCqM> >>>> Torenia crustacea (L.) Cham. & Schltdl. >>>> <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/indiantreepix/PAKGAtwmPGI> >>>> Validation of Lindernia >>>> <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/indiantreepix/umPk1Q5X8-8> >>>> Herb for ID from Jim-Corbett Uttarakhand-GS10032022-2 >>>> <https://groups.google.com/g/indiantreepix/c/anOKvYwqBec> >>>> >>>> In view of the above observations, I feel, we follow the broader >>>> circumspection with all these observations as Lindernia crustacea >>>> <https://efloraofindia.com/2011/03/12/lindernia-crustacea/> (as we are >>>> following now). >>>> In view Dinesh ji's plant and other similar observations from Western >>>> Ghats may also be retained as Lindernia crustacea >>>> <https://efloraofindia.com/2011/03/12/lindernia-crustacea/> only. >>>> >>>> >>>> On Fri, 7 Oct 2022 at 22:00, Tabish <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Just to point out that POWO treats* Torenia godefroyi* and* Torenia >>>>> lindernioides *as distinct species, with *Torenia godefroyi* confied >>>>> to Cambodia, Laos, Thailand, Vietnam, and *Torenia lindernioides >>>>> *confined >>>>> to the Western Ghats. >>>>> Tabish >>>>> ------------------------------------------- >>>>> <http://www.flowersofindia.net>www.flowersofindia.net >>>>> The waterhole of flower lovers >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Fri, Oct 7, 2022 at 11:35 AM J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I think Sunoj ji may finally resolve this issue being an author of >>>>>> 'Re-establishment >>>>>> of the overlooked species Torenia godefroyi (Linderniaceae), and notes on >>>>>> the identity of T. lindernioides >>>>>> <https://www.researchgate.net/publication/312558634_Re-establishment_of_the_overlooked_species_Torenia_godefroyi_Linderniaceae_and_notes_on_the_identity_of_T_lindernioides>' >>>>>> (I am unable to get a hand on it from the net) >>>>>> Thanks a lot, Tabish ji, for the inputs. >>>>>> >>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message --------- >>>>>> From: Tabish <[email protected]> >>>>>> Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2022 at 09:29 >>>>>> Subject: [efloraofindia:434054] Re: Scrophulariaceae fortnight :: >>>>>> Lindernia crustacea at Andheri :: DV06 >>>>>> To: eFloraofIndia <[email protected]> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> This plant, with distinctly winged calyx, should be *Torenia >>>>>> lindernioides* which is endemic to Western Ghats. Please have a look >>>>>> at the attached paper. It is closely similar to *Torenia crustacea* >>>>>> (Syn: *Lindernia crustacea*) which has unwinged calyx. >>>>>> According to the paper: >>>>>> "Torenia lindernioides has a distinctly winged calyx which completely >>>>>> encloses the mature capsule. The capsule is elongated, lelliptic in >>>>>> outline >>>>>> and narrowed at the top. Lindernia crustacea, however, has sepals that >>>>>> are, >>>>>> at most, slightly thickened in the middle and never invest the capsule >>>>>> completely." >>>>>> Tabish >>>>>> >>>>>> On Friday, August 16, 2013 at 5:12:18 AM UTC+5:30 Dinesh Valke wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Scrophulariaceae fortnight >>>>>>> dog flower family >>>>>>> *Lindernia crustacea* (L.) F. Muell. ... also placed in: >>>>>>> Linderniaceae Plantaginaceae Veronicaceae >>>>>>> at MIDC Andheri on 24 AUG 07 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> [image: Urikusa (in Japanese)] >>>>>>> <http://www.google.com/url?q=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.flickr.com%2Fphotos%2Fdinesh_valke%2F1224907860%2F&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFrqEzc7DxIHJEZQx1njUX_pZEE1_tb5uA> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> [image: Fua Lanumoana (in Samoan)] >>>>>>> <http://www.google.com/url?q=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.flickr.com%2Fphotos%2Fdinesh_valke%2F1224061657%2F&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFrqEzdyHN9liuka8KQKrl3l8qM__GKBrg> >>>>>>> Regards. >>>>>>> Dinesh >>>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>> Groups "eFloraofIndia" group. >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>> send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>> To view this discussion on the web, visit >>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/373ac98b-df9a-4a8f-8799-d45ab3d6eb4bn%40googlegroups.com >>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/373ac98b-df9a-4a8f-8799-d45ab3d6eb4bn%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>>>> . >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> With regards, >>>>>> J.M.Garg >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> With regards, >>>> J.M.Garg >>>> >>> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "eFloraofIndia" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected]. >> To view this discussion on the web, visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/9b8f69bf-ef09-467a-abd2-0a75cc9ff7bfn%40googlegroups.com >> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/9b8f69bf-ef09-467a-abd2-0a75cc9ff7bfn%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >> . >> > > > -- > With regards, > J.M.Garg > -- With regards, J.M.Garg -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "eFloraofIndia" group. 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