Dear Dinesh, It is true that Saldanha's article clearly says Torenia lindernioides is distributed in Western Ghats. But what M. G. Prasad, R. K. Roy and P. Sunojkumar (Nordic Journal of Botany 35: 45–47, 2017) published says that Torenia lindernioides is the same as Torenia godefroyi. So, now Torenia godefroyi (according to these authors) is distributed in Cambodia and Western Ghats. So, the Indian distribution of this plant is still restricted to Western Ghats. Whether you call it Torenia lindernioides or Torenia godefroyi is a different matter. Tabish ------------------------------------------- <http://www.flowersofindia.net>www.flowersofindia.net The waterhole of flower lovers
On Sat, Oct 8, 2022 at 7:11 PM Dinesh Valke <[email protected]> wrote: > But Saldanha's article clearly says Torenia lindernioides is distributed > in Western Ghats, and is often confused with the wider distributed > Lindernia crustacea. > As such Torenia lindernioides is not distributed in Nepal. > > Regards. > Dinesh > > On Sat, Oct 8, 2022 at 7:06 PM J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: > >> My personal feeling after going through all the observations in our site >> is that keys given in both publications are very sketchy (publications only >> based on specimens from Western Ghats) and if wider studies are conducted >> based on all India specimens and those from SE Asia, it may come out to be >> one species only (may be with a few varieties as it was widely accepted >> earlier). >> Just to give an example, pl. see the post from Saroj ji from Nepal: SK >> 3258 24 December 2021 >> <https://groups.google.com/g/indiantreepix/c/xoQAkxPsgTg> (Nepal does >> not show any distribution of *Torenia lindernioides*). >> In view of the above, I feel we follow the broader look with all these >> observations as Lindernia crustacea >> <https://efloraofindia.com/2011/03/12/lindernia-crustacea/> (as we are >> following now). >> >> On Sat, 8 Oct 2022 at 18:36, Tabish <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> *Torenia crustacea* (Syn: Lindernia crustacea) is a species different >>> from *Torenia lindernioides*, and has a wider distribution. It is found >>> in the Himalayas, East India, and probably also in Western Ghats. The key >>> involving these species is listed in Saldanha's paper that I sent. >>> Tabish >>> ------------------------------------------- >>> <http://www.flowersofindia.net>www.flowersofindia.net >>> The waterhole of flower lovers >>> >>> >>> On Sat, Oct 8, 2022 at 11:40 AM J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> However, I am not satisfied with the id as *Torenia godefroyi* or *Torenia >>>> lindernioides *(with restricted range in Western Ghats and Cambodia). >>>> What about other observations from other areas at Lindernia crustacea >>>> <https://efloraofindia.com/2011/03/12/lindernia-crustacea/> like >>>> SK 3258 24 December 2021 >>>> <https://groups.google.com/g/indiantreepix/c/xoQAkxPsgTg> >>>> Lindernia sp. (1) from Hooghly 15/8/12 SK-1 >>>> <https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en&fromgroups#!topic/indiantreepix/Huo2W3tvDdU> >>>> Lindernia sp. (2) from Hooghly 15/8/12 SK-2 >>>> <https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en&fromgroups#!topic/indiantreepix/pAcb_GQuLTE> >>>> Lindernia crustacea (L.) F.Muel collected from Kamrup district (Metro), >>>> Assam >>>> <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/indiantreepix/KU3HUbO0DnM> >>>> Scrophulariaceae Fortnight: Lindernia crustacea from Kaithal- NS 29 >>>> <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/indiantreepix/lSYABMJR-XI> >>>> Scrophulariaceae Fortnight: a guest on Lindernia crustacea (L.) >>>> F.Muell. : sk03 >>>> <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/indiantreepix/aobL5G85kmA> >>>> PM1 22-09-2017 Id confirmation from chandigarh. Is it Lindernia >>>> crustacea? >>>> <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/indiantreepix/z5RCCxai7Uc> >>>> Torenia thouarsii (Cham. & Schltdl.) Kuntze (accepted name) ?? >>>> <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/indiantreepix/zMNeXJM7Bdc> >>>> for id. request. BRS 522 >>>> <https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en#!topic/indiantreepix/eWWg23fxCqM> >>>> Torenia crustacea (L.) Cham. & Schltdl. >>>> <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/indiantreepix/PAKGAtwmPGI> >>>> Validation of Lindernia >>>> <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/indiantreepix/umPk1Q5X8-8> >>>> Herb for ID from Jim-Corbett Uttarakhand-GS10032022-2 >>>> <https://groups.google.com/g/indiantreepix/c/anOKvYwqBec> >>>> >>>> In view of the above observations, I feel, we follow the broader >>>> circumspection with all these observations as Lindernia crustacea >>>> <https://efloraofindia.com/2011/03/12/lindernia-crustacea/> (as we are >>>> following now). >>>> In view Dinesh ji's plant and other similar observations from Western >>>> Ghats may also be retained as Lindernia crustacea >>>> <https://efloraofindia.com/2011/03/12/lindernia-crustacea/> only. >>>> >>>> >>>> On Fri, 7 Oct 2022 at 22:00, Tabish <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Just to point out that POWO treats* Torenia godefroyi* and* Torenia >>>>> lindernioides *as distinct species, with *Torenia godefroyi* confied >>>>> to Cambodia, Laos, Thailand, Vietnam, and *Torenia lindernioides >>>>> *confined >>>>> to the Western Ghats. >>>>> Tabish >>>>> ------------------------------------------- >>>>> <http://www.flowersofindia.net>www.flowersofindia.net >>>>> The waterhole of flower lovers >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Fri, Oct 7, 2022 at 11:35 AM J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I think Sunoj ji may finally resolve this issue being an author of >>>>>> 'Re-establishment >>>>>> of the overlooked species Torenia godefroyi (Linderniaceae), and notes on >>>>>> the identity of T. lindernioides >>>>>> <https://www.researchgate.net/publication/312558634_Re-establishment_of_the_overlooked_species_Torenia_godefroyi_Linderniaceae_and_notes_on_the_identity_of_T_lindernioides>' >>>>>> (I am unable to get a hand on it from the net) >>>>>> Thanks a lot, Tabish ji, for the inputs. >>>>>> >>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message --------- >>>>>> From: Tabish <[email protected]> >>>>>> Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2022 at 09:29 >>>>>> Subject: [efloraofindia:434054] Re: Scrophulariaceae fortnight :: >>>>>> Lindernia crustacea at Andheri :: DV06 >>>>>> To: eFloraofIndia <[email protected]> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> This plant, with distinctly winged calyx, should be *Torenia >>>>>> lindernioides* which is endemic to Western Ghats. Please have a look >>>>>> at the attached paper. It is closely similar to *Torenia crustacea* >>>>>> (Syn: *Lindernia crustacea*) which has unwinged calyx. >>>>>> According to the paper: >>>>>> "Torenia lindernioides has a distinctly winged calyx which completely >>>>>> encloses the mature capsule. The capsule is elongated, lelliptic in >>>>>> outline >>>>>> and narrowed at the top. Lindernia crustacea, however, has sepals that >>>>>> are, >>>>>> at most, slightly thickened in the middle and never invest the capsule >>>>>> completely." >>>>>> Tabish >>>>>> >>>>>> On Friday, August 16, 2013 at 5:12:18 AM UTC+5:30 Dinesh Valke wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Scrophulariaceae fortnight >>>>>>> dog flower family >>>>>>> *Lindernia crustacea* (L.) F. Muell. ... also placed in: >>>>>>> Linderniaceae Plantaginaceae Veronicaceae >>>>>>> at MIDC Andheri on 24 AUG 07 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> [image: Urikusa (in Japanese)] >>>>>>> <http://www.google.com/url?q=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.flickr.com%2Fphotos%2Fdinesh_valke%2F1224907860%2F&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFrqEzc7DxIHJEZQx1njUX_pZEE1_tb5uA> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> [image: Fua Lanumoana (in Samoan)] >>>>>>> <http://www.google.com/url?q=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.flickr.com%2Fphotos%2Fdinesh_valke%2F1224061657%2F&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFrqEzdyHN9liuka8KQKrl3l8qM__GKBrg> >>>>>>> Regards. >>>>>>> Dinesh >>>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>> Groups "eFloraofIndia" group. >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>> send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>> To view this discussion on the web, visit >>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/373ac98b-df9a-4a8f-8799-d45ab3d6eb4bn%40googlegroups.com >>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/373ac98b-df9a-4a8f-8799-d45ab3d6eb4bn%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>>>> . >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> With regards, >>>>>> J.M.Garg >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> With regards, >>>> J.M.Garg >>>> >>> >> >> -- >> With regards, >> J.M.Garg >> > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "eFloraofIndia" group. 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