:) ... touche !!!! u =====
On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 8:55 AM, Pankaj Kumar <[email protected]>wrote: > Mam, a simple example would be, you say king of fruits to Mango and not > queen!! > Pankaj > > > On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 11:21 AM, ushadi Micromini > <[email protected]> wrote: > > aha.... Gurchranji and Pankaj ji: > > > > so my motto that I dreamt one nite a few years ago, ((when deep in > serious > > 18 hours a day study of Herbal and Ayurvedic plants...)): is apt and > > "correct" by this tradition: > > > > (c) "Trees are our Mashima" .... > > > > trees are feminine, life supporting, caring, giving of oxygen, good > aura... > > and often nitrogen fixing, chlorophyll giving, and give us medicine, > wood > > to sit on and shelter us, leaf mulch to grow things again in, flowers to > > marvel at etc etc... just like a MA or her substitute ,... a MASHi... > you > > can hug a tree get life sustaining good electromagnetic vibes... not a > > myth... do it....try it.. I do ... makes a difference in the day... > > > > > > I guess my brain just made it up in one drowsy (alpha brain wave > predominant > > ) moment... > > but not totally my own either... since it may have come from some > obscure > > neuronal networks in my brain that connected some dots of known and > > fantasized ideas... > > > > in gujarati there is a proverb that Harade (haritaki) is " na-ma ni ma" > ... > > na-ma = is a baby who has lost her/his mother, harade is her/his > mother... > > its so "gunakari" ... > > > > fun... > > Usha di > > ======= > > > > > > On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 7:22 AM, Gurcharan Singh <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> > >> yes > >> Quercus (Q. dilatata, Q. acuminata), Prunus (P. persica, P. armeniaca), > >> Pinus (Pinus alba, P. africana) are all feminine because they are trees, > and > >> in classical Latin, tree is treated as feminine. Perhaps all trees are > >> feminine, irrespective of the ending of the generic name. > >> > >> -- > >> Dr. Gurcharan Singh > >> Retired Associate Professor > >> SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 > >> Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. > >> Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 > >> http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ > >> > >> On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 6:37 AM, Pankaj Kumar <[email protected]> > >> wrote: > >>> > >>> I was going through Gurcharan sir's remark and I just wanted to add > >>> some thing more. > >>> Gender is a big issue in ICBN. > >>> > >>> According to ICBN, II:VII:2, Article 62.1. A generic name retains the > >>> gender assigned by botanical tradition, irrespective of classical > >>> usage or the author's original usage. A generic name without a > >>> botanical tradition retains the gender assigned by its author (but see > >>> Art. 62.4). > >>> > >>> For example, Punica granatum. Ideally Punica is of feminine gender, > >>> "ending with 'a', hence the species name should have been 'granata', > >>> but this name has been conserved because of its long usage. But the > >>> question is, according to article 62.1 name should have retained the > >>> gender assigned by botanical tradition irrespective of the usage by > >>> author. Hence this goes against ICBN. > >>> > >>> Second example could be Quercus oblongata. Though the gender of genus > >>> according to name is masculine, but classically they were treated as > >>> feminine hence, the species name is feminine. > >>> > >>> For the understanding of a common person, if you go through ICBN > ARTICLE > >>> 62.1: > >>> IF YOU NAME YOUR SON "RAMA" AND YOU DONT SAY IF IT WAS MALE OR FEMALE > >>> THEN ACCORDING TO THE ARTICLE IT WILL BE CONSIDERED FEMALE FOLLOWING > >>> BOTANICAL TRADITION. VERY INTERESTINGLY LORD RAM FROM RAMAYAN IS OFTEN > >>> REFEREED AS RAMA AND RAVAN AS RAVANA IN ENGLISH!! > >>> > >>> IN HINDI TRAIN AS RAILGADI IS FEMALE, ENGINE IS FEMALE, BUT THE > >>> BOGGIES ARE MALE !! > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 2:10 AM, Sid <[email protected]> wrote: > >>> > Very informative thread and Gurcharan sir nailed the answer. > >>> > Haha... Pankaj, I think you are in a very confused state. It would > take > >>> > 7+ > >>> > years to figure out their secret code. and still more time to perfect > >>> > it. > >>> > > >>> > On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 9:43 PM, ushadi Micromini > >>> > <[email protected]> wrote: > >>> >> > >>> >> Pankaj ji: > >>> >> Secret code? ha ha, > >>> >> yes!!! haven't done a secret code since we were kids and had > >>> >> balcony > >>> >> or rooftop "caves" under old desks... in USA kids or their fathers > >>> >> build > >>> >> tree houses... In Calcutta, my dad built us a rooftop desk > cave... > >>> >> > >>> >> No, Pankaj, I was falling asleep I think... my fingers were on the > >>> >> last > >>> >> row..looks like.. > >>> >> just slip of fingers...and not realising what it was I sent it... > by > >>> >> the > >>> >> time I saw it was gibberish and removed it..it was too late... some > >>> >> of you > >>> >> must already have received it in email... > >>> >> but its been removed from eflora thread I think... > >>> >> I hope... > >>> >> > >>> >> the red fruit comments must have reached you by now!!!! > >>> >> > >>> >> Usha di > >>> >> ====== > >>> >> > >>> >> On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 6:05 PM, Pankaj Kumar < > [email protected]> > >>> >> wrote: > >>> >>> > >>> >>> what was that :), abusing some one with a secret code !!! just > >>> >>> kidding.... > >>> >>> Its like here HK, I never know if others are abusing or praising... > >>> >>> Pankaj > >>> >>> > >>> >>> > >>> >>> > >>> >>> On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 8:26 PM, ushadi Micromini > >>> >>> <[email protected]> wrote: > >>> >>> > xbvcb > >>> >>> > > >>> >>> > On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 4:35 PM, Bhatt Sweta < > [email protected]> > >>> >>> > wrote: > >>> >>> >> > >>> >>> >> Ya and Ushadi, just like you i have copied in word document... > >>> >>> >> > >>> >>> >> On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 4:32 PM, ushadi Micromini > >>> >>> >> <[email protected]> wrote: > >>> >>> >>> > >>> >>> >>> Dear Sweta: Yes it has been a satisfying thread ... > >>> >>> >>> Usha di > >>> >>> >>> == > >>> >>> >>> > >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 4:24 PM, ushadi Micromini > >>> >>> >>> <[email protected]> wrote: > >>> >>> >>>> > >>> >>> >>>> Dear Pankaj ji , Dineshji and Gurcharanji; I must say > >>> >>> >>>> ..Respected > >>> >>> >>>> Gurcharanji: > >>> >>> >>>> > >>> >>> >>>> Thank you individually and collectively for answering my > >>> >>> >>>> question... > >>> >>> >>>> > >>> >>> >>>> As i wrote the questions, I knew it.. I would get my complete > >>> >>> >>>> answer > >>> >>> >>>> here at this forum... and no where else... > >>> >>> >>>> > >>> >>> >>>> I am copy pasting these answers in a word file to keep it > >>> >>> >>>> handy... > >>> >>> >>>> > >>> >>> >>>> Usha di > >>> >>> >>>> ========= > >>> >>> >>>> > >>> >>> >>>> > >>> >>> >>>> > >>> >>> >>>> On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 1:37 PM, Bhatt Sweta > >>> >>> >>>> <[email protected]> > >>> >>> >>>> wrote: > >>> >>> >>>>> > >>> >>> >>>>> very informative thread indeed... > >>> >>> >>>>> Thanks Gurucharan Sir and Pankajji > >>> >>> >>>>> > >>> >>> >>>>> On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 1:35 PM, Dinesh Valke > >>> >>> >>>>> <[email protected]> > >>> >>> >>>>> wrote: > >>> >>> >>>>>> > >>> >>> >>>>>> Many many many thanks Pankaj and Gurcharan ji. > >>> >>> >>>>>> Regards. > >>> >>> >>>>>> Dinesh > >>> >>> >>>>>> > >>> >>> >>>>>> > >>> >>> >>>>>> > >>> >>> >>>>>> > >>> >>> >>>>>> On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 1:17 PM, Pankaj Kumar > >>> >>> >>>>>> <[email protected]> > >>> >>> >>>>>> wrote: > >>> >>> >>>>>>> > >>> >>> >>>>>>> Guru is always a guru :)... > >>> >>> >>>>>>> Thanks for adding more info.... > >>> >>> >>>>>>> I was not sure about this "ites" thing. > >>> >>> >>>>>>> Pankaj > >>> >>> >>>>>>> > >>> >>> >>>>>>> > >>> >>> >>>>>>> On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 3:45 PM, Gurcharan Singh > >>> >>> >>>>>>> <[email protected]> > >>> >>> >>>>>>> wrote: > >>> >>> >>>>>>> > To add to what Pankaj ji has written > >>> >>> >>>>>>> > claytoniana, a specific epithet in adjective form (since > >>> >>> >>>>>>> > Osmunda > >>> >>> >>>>>>> > generic > >>> >>> >>>>>>> > name is in feminine form), may take form of claytonianum > >>> >>> >>>>>>> > (if > >>> >>> >>>>>>> > attached to a > >>> >>> >>>>>>> > neuter genus) and claytonianus (if attached to masculine > >>> >>> >>>>>>> > genus) > >>> >>> >>>>>>> > claytonii, a noun in possessive form, will remain > unchanged > >>> >>> >>>>>>> > from > >>> >>> >>>>>>> > genus to > >>> >>> >>>>>>> > genus; -ii for all names ending in consonant, -i for > >>> >>> >>>>>>> > names > >>> >>> >>>>>>> > ending > >>> >>> >>>>>>> > in vowel > >>> >>> >>>>>>> > (roylei for Royle), -e for those ending in a- (senguptae > >>> >>> >>>>>>> > for > >>> >>> >>>>>>> > Sengupta), etc > >>> >>> >>>>>>> > cyatoniites here signifies two things, one it is like O. > >>> >>> >>>>>>> > claytoniana, and > >>> >>> >>>>>>> > second more important it is a name for a fossil. ending > >>> >>> >>>>>>> > -ites > >>> >>> >>>>>>> > is > >>> >>> >>>>>>> > commonly > >>> >>> >>>>>>> > used for fossil taxa. > >>> >>> >>>>>>> > > >>> >>> >>>>>>> > > >>> >>> >>>>>>> > -- > >>> >>> >>>>>>> > Dr. Gurcharan Singh > >>> >>> >>>>>>> > Retired Associate Professor > >>> >>> >>>>>>> > SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 > >>> >>> >>>>>>> > Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. > >>> >>> >>>>>>> > Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 > >>> >>> >>>>>>> > http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ > >>> >>> >>>>>>> > > >>> >>> >>>>>>> > > >>> >>> >>>>>>> > On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 12:45 PM, Pankaj Kumar > >>> >>> >>>>>>> > <[email protected]> > >>> >>> >>>>>>> > wrote: > >>> >>> >>>>>>> >> > >>> >>> >>>>>>> >> Respected Usha Mam and Dinesh sir > >>> >>> >>>>>>> >> claytoniana means "like Clayton". Its an adjective of > >>> >>> >>>>>>> >> "Clayton". > >>> >>> >>>>>>> >> claytonii means "of Clayton". Clayton is used as a Noun, > >>> >>> >>>>>>> >> saying > >>> >>> >>>>>>> >> the > >>> >>> >>>>>>> >> specimen that belonged to Clayton or collected by > Clayton. > >>> >>> >>>>>>> >> claytoniites means "looking like claytoniana" or if we > >>> >>> >>>>>>> >> take > >>> >>> >>>>>>> >> the > >>> >>> >>>>>>> >> whole > >>> >>> >>>>>>> >> plant name then it means looking specifically like > Osmunda > >>> >>> >>>>>>> >> claytoniana. > >>> >>> >>>>>>> >> > >>> >>> >>>>>>> >> Please attached my pic of Osmunda claytoniana from > >>> >>> >>>>>>> >> Himachal > >>> >>> >>>>>>> >> Pradesh, > >>> >>> >>>>>>> >> just before Rohtang Pass. > >>> >>> >>>>>>> >> Pankaj > >>> >>> >>>>>>> >> > >>> >>> >>>>>>> >> > >>> >>> >>>>>>> >> On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 2:58 PM, Dr Pankaj Kumar > >>> >>> >>>>>>> >> <[email protected]> wrote: > >>> >>> >>>>>>> >> > > >>> >>> >>>>>>> >> > > >>> >>> >>>>>>> >> > > >>> >>> >>>>>>> >> > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > >>> >>> >>>>>>> >> > From: Ushadi micromini <[email protected]> > >>> >>> >>>>>>> >> > Date: Oct 11, 2:15 pm > >>> >>> >>>>>>> >> > Subject: what is the significance of the difference in > >>> >>> >>>>>>> >> > the > >>> >>> >>>>>>> >> > names > >>> >>> >>>>>>> >> > of > >>> >>> >>>>>>> >> > this fern:???? > >>> >>> >>>>>>> >> > To: efloraofindia > >>> >>> >>>>>>> >> > > >>> >>> >>>>>>> >> > > >>> >>> >>>>>>> >> > Neha ji... > >>> >>> >>>>>>> >> > yes UBC folks have good pictures... > >>> >>> >>>>>>> >> > by the way... its not my doing... > >>> >>> >>>>>>> >> > I only asked a question about THEIR photograph > >>> >>> >>>>>>> >> > I thought i was clear ... > >>> >>> >>>>>>> >> > I sent in a url only.... > >>> >>> >>>>>>> >> > > >>> >>> >>>>>>> >> > I am just a messenger who is asking a question.. > >>> >>> >>>>>>> >> > not the maker of the photo...I wish I was... > >>> >>> >>>>>>> >> > Usha di > >>> >>> >>>>>>> >> > === > >>> >>> >>>>>>> >> > > >>> >>> >>>>>>> >> > On Oct 10, 7:57 pm, Neha Singh < > [email protected]> > >>> >>> >>>>>>> >> > wrote: > >>> >>> >>>>>>> >> > > >>> >>> >>>>>>> >> > > >>> >>> >>>>>>> >> > > >>> >>> >>>>>>> >> > > >>> >>> >>>>>>> >> > > >>> >>> >>>>>>> >> > > >>> >>> >>>>>>> >> > > >>> >>> >>>>>>> >> >> Yess Brilliant photograpny Usha di ! > >>> >>> >>>>>>> >> > > >>> >>> >>>>>>> >> >> Regards > >>> >>> >>>>>>> >> >> Neha Singh > >>> >>> >>>>>>> >> > >>> >>> >>>>>>> >> > >>> >>> >>>>>>> >> > >>> >>> >>>>>>> >> -- > >>> >>> >>>>>>> >> > >>> >>> >>>>>>> >> > >>> >>> >>>>>>> >> > >>> >>> >>>>>>> >> > ********************************************************************** > >>> >>> >>>>>>> >> "Taxonomists getting Extinct and Species Data Deficient > >>> >>> >>>>>>> >> !!" > >>> >>> >>>>>>> >> > >>> >>> >>>>>>> >> > >>> >>> >>>>>>> >> Pankaj Kumar Ph.D. (Orchidaceae) > >>> >>> >>>>>>> >> Conservation Officer > >>> >>> >>>>>>> >> > >>> >>> >>>>>>> >> Office: > >>> >>> >>>>>>> >> Flora Conservation Department > >>> >>> >>>>>>> >> Kadoorie Farm and Botanic Garden (KFBG) Corporation > >>> >>> >>>>>>> >> Lam Kam Road, Tai Po, New Territories, Hong Kong. > >>> >>> >>>>>>> >> > >>> >>> >>>>>>> >> Residence: > >>> >>> >>>>>>> >> 36B, Ng Tung Chai, Lam Tseun > >>> >>> >>>>>>> >> Tai Po, New Territories, Hong Kong. > >>> >>> >>>>>>> >> > >>> >>> >>>>>>> >> email: [email protected] > >>> >>> >>>>>>> >> [email protected] > >>> >>> >>>>>>> >> [email protected] > >>> >>> >>>>>>> >> Phone: +852 2483 7128 (office - 8:30am to 5:30pm) > >>> >>> >>>>>>> >> +852 9436 6251; +852 5431 6094 (mobile) > >>> >>> >>>>>>> > > >>> >>> >>>>>>> > > >>> >>> >>>>>>> > > >>> >>> >>>>>>> > > >>> >>> >>>>>>> > >>> >>> >>>>>>> > >>> >>> >>>>>>> > >>> >>> >>>>>>> -- > >>> >>> >>>>>>> > >>> >>> >>>>>>> > >>> >>> >>>>>>> > >>> >>> >>>>>>> > ********************************************************************** > >>> >>> >>>>>>> "Taxonomists getting Extinct and Species Data Deficient !!" > >>> >>> >>>>>>> > >>> >>> >>>>>>> > >>> >>> >>>>>>> Pankaj Kumar Ph.D. (Orchidaceae) > >>> >>> >>>>>>> Conservation Officer > >>> >>> >>>>>>> > >>> >>> >>>>>>> Office: > >>> >>> >>>>>>> Flora Conservation Department > >>> >>> >>>>>>> Kadoorie Farm and Botanic Garden (KFBG) Corporation > >>> >>> >>>>>>> Lam Kam Road, Tai Po, New Territories, Hong Kong. > >>> >>> >>>>>>> > >>> >>> >>>>>>> Residence: > >>> >>> >>>>>>> 36B, Ng Tung Chai, Lam Tseun > >>> >>> >>>>>>> Tai Po, New Territories, Hong Kong. > >>> >>> >>>>>>> > >>> >>> >>>>>>> email: [email protected] > >>> >>> >>>>>>> [email protected] > >>> >>> >>>>>>> [email protected] > >>> >>> >>>>>>> Phone: +852 2483 7128 (office - 8:30am to 5:30pm) > >>> >>> >>>>>>> +852 9436 6251; +852 5431 6094 (mobile) > >>> >>> >>>>>> > >>> >>> >>>>> > >>> >>> >>>>> > >>> >>> >>>>> > >>> >>> >>>>> -- > >>> >>> >>>>> Bhatt Shweta > >>> >>> >>>>> Doctoral Research Student, > >>> >>> >>>>> M.S.U. > >>> >>> >>>> > >>> >>> >>> > >>> >>> >> > >>> >>> >> > >>> >>> >> > >>> >>> >> -- > >>> >>> >> Bhatt Shweta > >>> >>> >> Doctoral Research Student, > >>> >>> >> M.S.U. > >>> >>> > > >>> >>> > > >>> >>> > >>> >>> > >>> >>> > >>> >>> -- > >>> >>> > >>> >>> > ********************************************************************** > >>> >>> "Taxonomists getting Extinct and Species Data Deficient !!" > >>> >>> > >>> >>> > >>> >>> Pankaj Kumar Ph.D. (Orchidaceae) > >>> >>> Conservation Officer > >>> >>> > >>> >>> Office: > >>> >>> Flora Conservation Department > >>> >>> Kadoorie Farm and Botanic Garden (KFBG) Corporation > >>> >>> Lam Kam Road, Tai Po, New Territories, Hong Kong. > >>> >>> > >>> >>> Residence: > >>> >>> 36B, Ng Tung Chai, Lam Tseun > >>> >>> Tai Po, New Territories, Hong Kong. > >>> >>> > >>> >>> email: [email protected] > >>> >>> [email protected] > >>> >>> [email protected] > >>> >>> Phone: +852 2483 7128 (office - 8:30am to 5:30pm) > >>> >>> +852 9436 6251; +852 5431 6094 (mobile) > >>> >> > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> -- > >>> ********************************************************************** > >>> "Taxonomists getting Extinct and Species Data Deficient !!" > >>> > >>> > >>> Pankaj Kumar Ph.D. (Orchidaceae) > >>> Conservation Officer > >>> > >>> Office: > >>> Flora Conservation Department > >>> Kadoorie Farm and Botanic Garden (KFBG) Corporation > >>> Lam Kam Road, Tai Po, New Territories, Hong Kong. > >>> > >>> Residence: > >>> 36B, Ng Tung Chai, Lam Tseun > >>> Tai Po, New Territories, Hong Kong. > >>> > >>> email: [email protected] > >>> [email protected] > >>> [email protected] > >>> Phone: +852 2483 7128 (office - 8:30am to 5:30pm) > >>> +852 9436 6251; +852 5431 6094 (mobile) > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > -- > ********************************************************************** > "Taxonomists getting Extinct and Species Data Deficient !!" > > > Pankaj Kumar Ph.D. (Orchidaceae) > Conservation Officer > > Office: > Flora Conservation Department > Kadoorie Farm and Botanic Garden (KFBG) Corporation > Lam Kam Road, Tai Po, New Territories, Hong Kong. > > Residence: > 36B, Ng Tung Chai, Lam Tseun > Tai Po, New Territories, Hong Kong. > > email: [email protected] > [email protected] > [email protected] > Phone: +852 2483 7128 (office - 8:30am to 5:30pm) > +852 9436 6251; +852 5431 6094 (mobile) >
