Just found that this important thread has converted into personal ego issue. There is nothing personal. I was just quoting the reference literature as Gurcharanj ji always suggest. Will be happy if the members can throw more light on the topic we are discussing instead of personal issues.
regards Pankaj Oudhia On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 9:46 AM, Pankaj Kumar <[email protected]>wrote: > hehehehe.... thank you sir... > I am here till I am alive... :) > Pankaj > > > > On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 12:14 PM, Gurcharan Singh <[email protected]>wrote: > >> Pankaj Sahni ji >> Hamen Iss Group menh aap ki bahut zarurat hai >> Bhaghwan apne bhagton ko naraz nahi karen gai. >> >> >> -- >> Dr. Gurcharan Singh >> Retired Associate Professor >> >> SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 >> Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. >> Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 >> http://www.gurcharanfamily.com/ >> http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ >> >> >> On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 12:58 PM, Pankaj Kumar <[email protected]>wrote: >> >>> Hey bhagwaan utha le mujhko...... >>> Often is used here because earlier authors used it saying sinensis OFTEN >>> has hairs.... >>> So Mrs Barretto said the one which often has hairs are hongkongensis and >>> not sinensis. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 3:25 PM, Pankaj Oudhia >>> <[email protected]>wrote: >>> >>>> Quoting the original text >>>> >>>> Since it *(i.e.Spiranthes honkongensis)* was first described, this >>>> species has largely been ignored >>>> by subsequent authors who have referred it to synonymy of Spiranthes >>>> sinensis. However, Hu and Barretto (Chung Chi J. 13(2): 4–6. 1976) >>>> identified the often densely glandular pubescent rachis, glandular >>>> pubescent >>>> floral bracts and sepals, and the broad, distinctly 3-lobed stigma as >>>> clear morphological characters that distinguish it from S. sinensis. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> "Often densely glandular pubescent rachis" is for S. honkongensis not >>>> for S.sinensis. "Often" is with meaning in this line. I repeat Often is not >>>> synonym for Always. >>>> >>>> regards >>>> >>>> Pankaj Oudhia >>>> >>>> On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 12:51 PM, Pankaj Kumar >>>> <[email protected]>wrote: >>>> >>>>> There is a reason why I said that. Because, >>>>> 1. People think that Spiranthes sinensis is often pubescent so they >>>>> described both glabrous one and the non glabrous one as S. sinensis. >>>>> 2. But according to the original descriptions only the glabrous one >>>>> should have been Spiranthes sinensis. >>>>> 3. On the contrary, Spiranthes australis and Spiranthes hongkongensis >>>>> are pubescent and sometimes even with glandular hairs. So the plant with >>>>> hairs from India cant be sinensis. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 3:18 PM, Pankaj Kumar >>>>> <[email protected]>wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> There is a reason why I said that. Because, >>>>>> 1. People think that Spiranthes sinensis is often pubescent so they >>>>>> described both glabrous one and the non glabrous one as S. sinensis. >>>>>> 2. But to the original descriptions only the glabrous one should have >>>>>> been Spiranthes sinensis. >>>>>> 3. O >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 3:16 PM, Pankaj Oudhia < >>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks. I am quoting your two statements from this thread. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Earlier >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> "S. sinensis is not supposed to be pubescent originally. But your >>>>>>> plant seems pubescent." >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Now >>>>>>> >>>>>>> "Often densly pubescent hairs with reference to sinensis which was >>>>>>> often present with densely pubescent hairs." >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Both are not same quotes. Isn't it? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> regards >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Pankaj Oudhia >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 12:33 PM, Pankaj Kumar < >>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> It has been written in different sense sir. Often densly pubescent >>>>>>>> hairs with reference to sinensis which was often present with densely >>>>>>>> pubescent hairs. >>>>>>>> So they made a new species of the one which had hairs. >>>>>>>> I have not met Mrs Barretto but happened to have met Dr Sun >>>>>>>> recently. She is the one who evoked my doubts. >>>>>>>> Best regards >>>>>>>> Pankaj >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 2:19 PM, Pankaj Oudhia < >>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Flora of China Vol.25. Chapter on Spiranthes. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> regards >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Pankaj Oudhia >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 6:35 AM, Dr Pankaj Kumar < >>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Which reference are you talking about? >>>>>>>>>> Pankaj >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, 8 December 2009 00:47:53 UTC+8, Gurcharan Singh wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Sending Spiranthes sinensis (Pers.) Ames (syn: S. australis (R. >>>>>>>>>>> Br.) Lindley) from Manali, HP >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Pankaj ji and Nayan ji, one of the very few orchids I know, and >>>>>>>>>>> that too if it is correct identity. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>> Dr. Gurcharan Singh >>>>>>>>>>> Associate Professor >>>>>>>>>>> SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 >>>>>>>>>>> Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. >>>>>>>>>>> Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 >>>>>>>>>>> http://people.du.ac.in/~**singhg45/<http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ********************************************************************** >>>>>>>> "Taxonomists getting Extinct and Species Data Deficient !!" >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Pankaj Kumar, Ph.D. >>>>>>>> Conservation Officer >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Office: >>>>>>>> Orchid Conservation Section >>>>>>>> Flora Conservation Department >>>>>>>> Kadoorie Farm and Botanic Garden (KFBG) Corporation >>>>>>>> Lam Kam Road, Tai Po, New Territories, Hong Kong. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Residence: >>>>>>>> 36C, Ng Tung Chai, Lam Tseun >>>>>>>> Tai Po, New Territories, Hong Kong. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> email: [email protected]; [email protected]; >>>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>>> Phone: +852 2483 7128 (office - 8:30am to 5:00pm); +852 9436 >>>>>>>> 6251(mobile). Fax: +852 >>>>>>>> 2483 7194 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> ********************************************************************** >>>>>> "Taxonomists getting Extinct and Species Data Deficient !!" >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Pankaj Kumar, Ph.D. >>>>>> Conservation Officer >>>>>> >>>>>> Office: >>>>>> Orchid Conservation Section >>>>>> Flora Conservation Department >>>>>> Kadoorie Farm and Botanic Garden (KFBG) Corporation >>>>>> Lam Kam Road, Tai Po, New Territories, Hong Kong. >>>>>> >>>>>> Residence: >>>>>> 36C, Ng Tung Chai, Lam Tseun >>>>>> Tai Po, New Territories, Hong Kong. >>>>>> >>>>>> email: [email protected]; [email protected]; >>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>> Phone: +852 2483 7128 (office - 8:30am to 5:00pm); +852 9436 >>>>>> 6251(mobile). Fax: +852 >>>>>> 2483 7194 >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> ********************************************************************** >>>>> "Taxonomists getting Extinct and Species Data Deficient !!" >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Pankaj Kumar, Ph.D. >>>>> Conservation Officer >>>>> >>>>> Office: >>>>> Orchid Conservation Section >>>>> Flora Conservation Department >>>>> Kadoorie Farm and Botanic Garden (KFBG) Corporation >>>>> Lam Kam Road, Tai Po, New Territories, Hong Kong. >>>>> >>>>> Residence: >>>>> 36C, Ng Tung Chai, Lam Tseun >>>>> Tai Po, New Territories, Hong Kong. >>>>> >>>>> email: [email protected]; [email protected]; >>>>> [email protected] >>>>> Phone: +852 2483 7128 (office - 8:30am to 5:00pm); +852 9436 >>>>> 6251(mobile). Fax: +852 >>>>> 2483 7194 >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> ********************************************************************** >>> "Taxonomists getting Extinct and Species Data Deficient !!" >>> >>> >>> Pankaj Kumar, Ph.D. >>> Conservation Officer >>> >>> Office: >>> Orchid Conservation Section >>> Flora Conservation Department >>> Kadoorie Farm and Botanic Garden (KFBG) Corporation >>> Lam Kam Road, Tai Po, New Territories, Hong Kong. >>> >>> Residence: >>> 36C, Ng Tung Chai, Lam Tseun >>> Tai Po, New Territories, Hong Kong. >>> >>> email: [email protected]; [email protected]; >>> [email protected] >>> Phone: +852 2483 7128 (office - 8:30am to 5:00pm); +852 9436 6251(mobile). >>> Fax: +852 >>> 2483 7194 >>> >> >> >> >> > > > -- > ********************************************************************** > "Taxonomists getting Extinct and Species Data Deficient !!" > > > Pankaj Kumar, Ph.D. > Conservation Officer > > Office: > Orchid Conservation Section > Flora Conservation Department > Kadoorie Farm and Botanic Garden (KFBG) Corporation > Lam Kam Road, Tai Po, New Territories, Hong Kong. > > Residence: > 36C, Ng Tung Chai, Lam Tseun > Tai Po, New Territories, Hong Kong. > > email: [email protected]; [email protected]; > [email protected] > Phone: +852 2483 7128 (office - 8:30am to 5:00pm); +852 9436 6251 > (mobile). Fax: +852 2483 7194 >
