mattschinkel wrote:
> I'm sorry Wayne, I did not realize that you where receiving double
> messages. I would also consider this to be spam. It seems that
> mirroring will not work for this reason. I have disabled mirroring. I
> am sorry. Has it been sending you double messages from jallib or from
> jallist? I wish I would have known.

Both and I use a different email addr for each.

> 
> Does anyone else receive double messages?
> 
> My intentions are to contribute. JALv2 / jallib is open source. I wish
> for the website & forum to be open source as well, owned by all of
> you. The domain name sould also be owned by all of you.
> 

That is a worthy goal but I think you took off running instead of 
warming up first. :-)

> For you contributors, your data seem to be organized, but for new
> users, it is not. I would like to make jal more pleaseable to new
> users. A new user would ask, Where do I go to get started with jal?
> There is no answer to this question as everything is all over the net,
> there are too many old sites that appear to be jal websites, there is
> no official jal website.
> 

I think you mean that there is no JALv2/jallib website.  Well there is
this mailing list and the Docs on the the google jallib page.  You seen 
to think a forum would be an improvement over what is currently there.
Why?

Maybe what is needed is a JALv2/jallist Group on yahoo like the current 
jallist.  That way newbie's can ask and get questions answered without 
cluttering up this, developers, list.  As it is now the jallist FAQ 
doesn't even mention jallib.  A better jallib FAQ would be easy to 
create based on the questions the jallib group received.

> I am not trying to upset you, I am trying to please you. Please tell
> me if there is something you don't like. I appreciate the feedback
> even if it is not good.

Your sending mail to my accounts without asking upset me.  The thought 
of you setting up the forum to send posts from the forum to both jallib 
and jallist bothered me.  I do not believe you meant to offend anyone,
but it seems it did.  Your intentions were good but your implementation was
faulty.

> For the future, it may not be best to do mirroring however I assure
> you that there is a better solution for you then using yahoo jallist
> and google jallib group.
> 

As I said above.  I see the need for a USERS jallib group but you have 
yet to convince me that a forum would be better then a group list. 
JalV1 started and flourished without a forum.  I use forums for other 
topics but I personally find them cumbersome.  I can search a mailing 
list faster to get to what I am looking for then I can search a forum.  BTW
I do NOT have Broadband so searching a list that is on my computer(s) is 
faster then connecting to a forum.

> With a forum like the one I setup, you can have many mailing lists
> under different topics. Users can choose to either use the mailing
> list or the forum, or both, ether way everyone will see each others
> messages. I still think this is a great solution for you and for new
> users.
> 

A yahoo group would do the same, IMHO.

> I just want jal to look as good as it. You guys are amazing at what
> you do. Other languages are more popular only because they are more
> accessible to the public.

I wish I had your youth and vigor.  I commend you for your zeal and hope 
that we can come up with a solution that will work for all of us.

My Best Regards to you

Wayne



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