Matt, I too had the same intentions when I started jal.sunish.net. But I found that people on jallist are mostly happy with what they have. They are happy with the mailing list. There were many discussions on jallist too regarding the same. There was Stef's site, Wouter's site, Berts site ( which had most of it content removed when he published the book), Vasile's Surducan's and Javier's site When jalv2 project started there was a wiki with lots of info with each separate contributor page and all. A centralised site for a newbie was discussed many times.
I had put both jal and jalv2 manuals on to the site and wanted blogs, forums and all on to my web site. I downloaded all of jallist files and thought of getting permission from each user and putting it on jal.sunish.net. I created user accounts for the main contributors so that they can do the moderation, add content etc. But it didn't get enough momentum and part of the problem I feel is that when the site is hosted with a domain in your name, people tend to think that you are going to hijack the project. Another issue is that most of the big contributors are not young people who can adapt to changes. Anything done against what they are used will be taken as offensive. Also personally I didn't have the time to update and maintain the content and layout. Even the theme was not modified from the default. With your kind of enthusiasm and the enthusiasm of the most acive jallib members, we can build a site first, have a domain name registered, add content with little clutter and have the site running fast. For actually creating and testing the site you don't even have to have a domain. We can test everything locally at our own machines using any AMP (Apache MySQL PHP) packs like WAMP for windows or linux equivalents. Forums are the last thing that jallist people are looking for, most are happy with jallist and jallib, so that should be the last thing for the new site. Keep up your good work and for the site learn any good content management system (CMS), drupal was my choice and is the choice of the all the open source telephony guys, including asterisk, freepbx, trixbox, freeswitch etc. In the long run maintaining the site without CMS would praactially be very difficult. Best regards, Sunish On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 3:45 AM, Wayne Topa <[email protected]> wrote: > > mattschinkel wrote: > > I'm sorry Wayne, I did not realize that you where receiving double > > messages. I would also consider this to be spam. It seems that > > mirroring will not work for this reason. I have disabled mirroring. I > > am sorry. Has it been sending you double messages from jallib or from > > jallist? I wish I would have known. > > Both and I use a different email addr for each. > > > > > Does anyone else receive double messages? > > > > My intentions are to contribute. JALv2 / jallib is open source. I wish > > for the website & forum to be open source as well, owned by all of > > you. The domain name sould also be owned by all of you. > > > > That is a worthy goal but I think you took off running instead of > warming up first. :-) > > > For you contributors, your data seem to be organized, but for new > > users, it is not. I would like to make jal more pleaseable to new > > users. A new user would ask, Where do I go to get started with jal? > > There is no answer to this question as everything is all over the net, > > there are too many old sites that appear to be jal websites, there is > > no official jal website. > > > > I think you mean that there is no JALv2/jallib website. Well there is > this mailing list and the Docs on the the google jallib page. You seen > to think a forum would be an improvement over what is currently there. > Why? > > Maybe what is needed is a JALv2/jallist Group on yahoo like the current > jallist. That way newbie's can ask and get questions answered without > cluttering up this, developers, list. As it is now the jallist FAQ > doesn't even mention jallib. A better jallib FAQ would be easy to > create based on the questions the jallib group received. > > > I am not trying to upset you, I am trying to please you. Please tell > > me if there is something you don't like. I appreciate the feedback > > even if it is not good. > > Your sending mail to my accounts without asking upset me. The thought > of you setting up the forum to send posts from the forum to both jallib > and jallist bothered me. I do not believe you meant to offend anyone, > but it seems it did. Your intentions were good but your implementation was > faulty. > > > For the future, it may not be best to do mirroring however I assure > > you that there is a better solution for you then using yahoo jallist > > and google jallib group. > > > > As I said above. I see the need for a USERS jallib group but you have > yet to convince me that a forum would be better then a group list. > JalV1 started and flourished without a forum. I use forums for other > topics but I personally find them cumbersome. I can search a mailing > list faster to get to what I am looking for then I can search a forum. BTW > I do NOT have Broadband so searching a list that is on my computer(s) is > faster then connecting to a forum. > > > With a forum like the one I setup, you can have many mailing lists > > under different topics. Users can choose to either use the mailing > > list or the forum, or both, ether way everyone will see each others > > messages. I still think this is a great solution for you and for new > > users. > > > > A yahoo group would do the same, IMHO. > > > I just want jal to look as good as it. You guys are amazing at what > > you do. Other languages are more popular only because they are more > > accessible to the public. > > I wish I had your youth and vigor. I commend you for your zeal and hope > that we can come up with a solution that will work for all of us. > > My Best Regards to you > > Wayne > > > > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "jallib" group. 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