I agree.

I stopped contributing to libraries and to this list on this google group 
as both just too awkward.
The justanontherlanguage site is pretty and a good idea. I think I made a 
contribtion there once or twice, but needs organised differently.

Also Google Groups /Blogger (Google's Blogging site) / Google code are all 
the pits and google could shutter any of them tomorrow. I find logging into 
google obnoxious because it's one log in for everything and they track 
everything.

The justanontherlanguage site should have everything (backed up) and also 
any Yahoo JAL, as Yahoo groups is brain dead hosting for anything. Maybe it 
was a good idea when Hosting was expensive and decent CMS / Blogging SW 
didn't exist.

I run 15 web sites. I've offered to help before.  I did maths, Graphics, 
formmating, devices and "Multitasking" stuff and will do more (have done 
more but I stopped contributing). It's not just a hobby I picked up. I've 
been doing embedded programming as the "day job" on and off 1979 to 2009 
(when R&D closed and I was made redundant).

Engineers I know at Analog Devices agree JAL is best solution for PIC 16/18 
family by miles.  

But it's almost inaccessible, awkward to  discuss or contribute.

Now I log out of pesky Google 

I do get all the emails of this list and read all. But such a pain to 
contribute to disscussion and access compared to free Forum software such 
as PHPBB (Drupal is fine CMS and the blogging, Books, Galleries, etc are 
great but better to use separate forum on same domain)

On Wednesday, August 6, 2014 4:21:58 PM UTC+1, Sunish Issac wrote:
>
> I fully agree with Vasi regarding the library and example contributions. I 
> had pointed this out long time back.  There are many people who don't 
> contribute just because of that limitation. 
>
> Yes community building needs a proper website with complete useful 
> projects and discussion forums, not just a mailing list.
>
> Rob, I am afraid no one will be able to carry on the great work in 
> creating the include files the way you do.. But if we want more users and 
> jallib to continue we need to have a stronger community...
>
> Regards,
> Sunish
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 6:04 PM, vasi vasi <[email protected] <javascript:>> 
> wrote:
>
>> The amount of newbies "converted" to Jallib and Jalv2 is directly 
>> proportional with the involvement in justanotherlanguage.org which 
>> didn't had a "live" blog like the one on blogger. The structure of that 
>> site is terrible and there is no order.  Just "serving" jallib project 
>> won't create and sustain a community. In fact, you can see now the results.
>>
>> Also, a good part in this are your strict rules regarding library and 
>> examples contributions. People stopped sending contributions because of 
>> this (just ask them). Like it or not.
>>  
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 1:08 PM, Rob Hamerling <[email protected] 
>> <javascript:>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Hi guys,
>>>
>>>
>>> In the announcement of Jallib 1.0 we wrote:
>>>
>>>  PS: Because we (the core members of Jallib: Joep, Rob, Seb)
>>>> consider Jallib as being mature now, we announce our retirement!
>>>> We stay available for some time to help with the transfer of
>>>> tasks, responsibilities, ownership, etc, to the next generation
>>>> of maintainers!  ==>  Candidates are welcome to apply!
>>>>
>>>
>>> Apart from one person who was already in the Jallib team no one seems to 
>>> have understood that this means that it is time for you (yes, you 
>>> personally!) to take over the maintenance and further development of 
>>> Jallib. Why are you (yes, you personally!) waiting for someone else to 
>>> volunteer? Is Jallib for you (yes, you personally!) not worth the effort to 
>>> invest some time in?
>>>
>>> Rob.
>>>
>>>
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>>>
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