Yeah, that is the point! Developing for who? And what to do with it? Can anyone do exactly as on Arduino ecosystem? What would be the point? The price and availability are the only ones worth using 8bit PICs, that I can tell ya!
Mailing lists are for old pals! It always was! How do you expect to have youngsters around here? Forum, of course. As I said, justanotherlanguage.org miss the interactivity Blogger provided (tell me if you can browse it like an Wordpress or Blogger blog - don't waste your time, I will tell you: no, you can't). That would have been the first signal that something is not done right. I did a lot of advertising for it on more than a forum with huge traffic but if no one is there, then, no one will remain there. The visitors will take some of the candies exposed there and then leave. Eventually, they will drop Jal for a better supported toolchain. You are asking me for suggestions... I did a lot in the past. But you guys were against anything. More than that. Many of the users were redirected by the development team to Jallist, as the right place for users. Even more, some of the members became aggressive when a user had contributed a library which happened to offer similar functionality with a library already there - no one bothered to make comparisons and to make a right decision. In more than one occasion. You did jallib for the sake of jallib. And you were so clear, that nobody have any doubts today. I tried to tell you that the reality outside is different. And even Atmel (!!!) finally learned how things have to be done: http://atmelcorporation.wordpress.com Arduino, Adafruit, Sparkfun are presenting their successful model for years. If you have a product, you have to show to your clients that you can do a billion things with it, and you have to show them every step so they can do the same. Amazingly, even White House realized how important Maker Faire could be for the American future (well, the truth is, Adrian Bowyer is the main culprit for this) - see the Obama's speech at the first Maker Faire organized at the White House this year: look at the end of this thread http://www.thebackshed.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=6657 I said before that you did a huge mistake (and Microchip repeated it later - incredible). You assumed that the Arduino model is a good model to follow and that it will be enough to just announce your project and then people will rally in forming a community. Wrong, wrong, wrong. The simple presence of Arduino is changing everything. Because there, where it was nothing, is now a solution. And on this world, for you to succeed, you have to equal or even outperform Arduino with your offer. Not just offering a simple board, or a library project at his infancy. But making also, with your own hands, a complete site, with a similar content, with a complete library offering a similar functionality as your rival, and with all the rival's tutorials and some extra. Only then to launch your project publicly and waiting for visitors and hoping that they will adopt and remain. This is why Microchip had little success with Chipkit boards and this is why Jallib is dying now. Wrong understanding and obviously, wrong procedure. Don't tell me that here is not about Jaluino (yes, I know), because the same thing applies to Jallib and to every project of making a community around a product. This is my last intervention. I lost interest long time ago. On Thu, Aug 7, 2014 at 1:20 AM, Sunish Issac <[email protected]> wrote: > A product developed, how much ever good it is technically or otherwise is > a total waste unless someone buys it. Jallib development makes no sense > unless its used by people to do real stuff and I think that's the point > made by Vasi.. > > Sunish > > > On Thu, Aug 7, 2014 at 1:45 PM, mattschinkel <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> Vasi, what should be improved on the website? When you say "sustain a >> community", I assume you are suggesting we try to have one there. It wasn't >> built to make a community at the site, I have always wanted others to come >> to this community and jallist. Jallist now seems to be a bad place for new >> users of jallib. >> >> I had 1777 sessions per day on the site last month (this google group had >> 1,131), both according to Google Analytics. I have been doing some small >> bits of work on it lately. Feel free to assist :) >> >> As for the issue of people that don't want to contribute, we can talk >> about making it easier for them. I don't think the issue is that their code >> has to be written correctly. What I do think the issues are, is that it is >> inconvenient to figure out how to use, and to always run jallib.py >> validate, then if it passes, it's difficult for some to use SVN. Fixing >> these 2 issues could be done with some code on a website. Anyways, I don't >> think this issue can be used as an excuse to not assist with keeping >> development alive, there are may of us still here. >> >> Anyways, I think the topic here is to keep jallib "development" alive, >> not the community. Building the community is another discussion. I am >> looking forward to our next release, even if the community is low. Jallib >> needs assistance from us now, not after we fix the community. >> >> Matt. >> >> >> On Wednesday, August 6, 2014 8:35:00 AM UTC-4, funlw65(Vasi) wrote: >> >>> The amount of newbies "converted" to Jallib and Jalv2 is directly >>> proportional with the involvement in justanotherlanguage.org which >>> didn't had a "live" blog like the one on blogger. The structure of that >>> site is terrible and there is no order. Just "serving" jallib project >>> won't create and sustain a community. In fact, you can see now the results. >>> >>> Also, a good part in this are your strict rules regarding library and >>> examples contributions. People stopped sending contributions because of >>> this (just ask them). Like it or not. >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 1:08 PM, Rob Hamerling <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> Hi guys, >>>> >>>> >>>> In the announcement of Jallib 1.0 we wrote: >>>> >>>> PS: Because we (the core members of Jallib: Joep, Rob, Seb) >>>>> consider Jallib as being mature now, we announce our retirement! >>>>> We stay available for some time to help with the transfer of >>>>> tasks, responsibilities, ownership, etc, to the next generation >>>>> of maintainers! ==> Candidates are welcome to apply! >>>>> >>>> >>>> Apart from one person who was already in the Jallib team no one seems >>>> to have understood that this means that it is time for you (yes, you >>>> personally!) to take over the maintenance and further development of >>>> Jallib. Why are you (yes, you personally!) waiting for someone else to >>>> volunteer? Is Jallib for you (yes, you personally!) not worth the effort to >>>> invest some time in? >>>> >>>> Rob. >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> R. 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