I think this group knows who to credit for the work in the trenches when no one
else was supporting us developers on the Linux platform. As always I give thanks
to blackdown for their supreme efforts to make this real!
James.
Juergen Kreileder wrote:
> >>>>> Paolo Ciccone writes:
>
> Paolo> On Tue, Dec 07, 1999 at 10:52:02PM +0100, Juergen Kreileder wrote:
> >> AFAIK Sun has all the right to use our code. But todays press
> >> release is a slap in the face for us!
>
> Paolo> Juergen, as I posted in other messages we are actually
> Paolo> giving you guys credit for all the hard work you have done
> Paolo> in the 1.2, 1.2.1 version. Unfortunately both press
> Paolo> releases didn't have any mention but we have already
> Paolo> released interviews with the press were we acknoledge your
> Paolo> work. As you can immagine, if we wanted to hide anything,
> Paolo> we could have change the files. That was not our intention
> Paolo> at all.
>
> I didn't say so. I don't have problems with somebody using our code.
> This is about respect! What we have now is stuff like:
>
> 'The Sun/Inprise JDK is xx times faster than that Blackdown crap.'
>
> 'Finally! Those script kiddies at Blackdown didn't have a clue'
>
> You get the song of praise --- we did the dirty work.
>
> Paolo> As I said before this is really a cooperative effort that
> Paolo> shows what can be obtained when there's will to improve
> Paolo> things. You guys gave us the ground to convince the right
> Paolo> people to sponsor this project. We have, in our modest
> Paolo> opinion, produced a production quality JDK. If the two
> Paolo> things can be merged this will go just at benefit of all
> Paolo> community. As you know very well porting and testing the
> Paolo> JDK is quite a task. It has not been cheap to do it and we
>
> Do you think our port was cheap? We don't get paid for our efforts
> and expenses.
>
> Paolo> took the risk of doing it while another port was under way.
> Paolo> As somebody said, competition is good, especially in a case
>
> How can there be competetion when people working on the Sun/Inprise
> JDK are on our internal mailing list and have access to our CVS
> archive?
>
> Paolo> like this where the outcome benefit only the developers of
> Paolo> Java applications. I believe that from today it's clear to
> Paolo> anybody that Linux is a viable platform for Java
> Paolo> applications.
>
> I never would have had a problem with Sun doing final testing and
> releasing.
> Eddie and me are asking for the 1.2.2 JCK over and over again, I've
> been asking for code updates several times. The only thing we've got
> so far are "You'll get it" _answers_...
> Sun wants us to port extension APIs and to work on 1.3 but given this
> sad story, you can imagine our motivation is very low.
>
> Paolo> On a similar like for JDK 1.3 Sun announced that they are
> Paolo> going to do a Linux port directly. At the same time
> Paolo> Blackdown is working on early code and we saw that some of
> Paolo> the early patches are included in the standard 1.3 code. At
> Paolo> the same time IBM announced their porting effort.
>
> Yep, some code from us in is 1.3, e.g. the large file support code
> I've written a year ago -- this code wrong, it will never work that
> way.
> That's why we never used this code, I replaced it long before the
> 1.2pre1 release, nevertheless the wrong code is 1.3. Sun's merging
> strategy always has been a mystery to me.
>
> Doing a complete JDK 1.3 port shouldn't be to hard, e.g. we already
> have HotSpot running on Sparc Linux. Who cares?
>
> Juergen
>
> --
> Juergen Kreileder, Blackdown Java-Linux Porting Team
> http://www.blackdown.org/java-linux.html
>
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