Ditto.
James Seigel wrote:
> I think this group knows who to credit for the work in the trenches when no one
> else was supporting us developers on the Linux platform. As always I give thanks
> to blackdown for their supreme efforts to make this real!
>
> James.
>
> Juergen Kreileder wrote:
>
> > >>>>> Paolo Ciccone writes:
> >
> > Paolo> On Tue, Dec 07, 1999 at 10:52:02PM +0100, Juergen Kreileder wrote:
> > >> AFAIK Sun has all the right to use our code. But todays press
> > >> release is a slap in the face for us!
> >
> > Paolo> Juergen, as I posted in other messages we are actually
> > Paolo> giving you guys credit for all the hard work you have done
> > Paolo> in the 1.2, 1.2.1 version. Unfortunately both press
> > Paolo> releases didn't have any mention but we have already
> > Paolo> released interviews with the press were we acknoledge your
> > Paolo> work. As you can immagine, if we wanted to hide anything,
> > Paolo> we could have change the files. That was not our intention
> > Paolo> at all.
> >
> > I didn't say so. I don't have problems with somebody using our code.
> > This is about respect! What we have now is stuff like:
> >
> > 'The Sun/Inprise JDK is xx times faster than that Blackdown crap.'
> >
> > 'Finally! Those script kiddies at Blackdown didn't have a clue'
> >
> > You get the song of praise --- we did the dirty work.
> >
> > Paolo> As I said before this is really a cooperative effort that
> > Paolo> shows what can be obtained when there's will to improve
> > Paolo> things. You guys gave us the ground to convince the right
> > Paolo> people to sponsor this project. We have, in our modest
> > Paolo> opinion, produced a production quality JDK. If the two
> > Paolo> things can be merged this will go just at benefit of all
> > Paolo> community. As you know very well porting and testing the
> > Paolo> JDK is quite a task. It has not been cheap to do it and we
> >
> > Do you think our port was cheap? We don't get paid for our efforts
> > and expenses.
> >
> > Paolo> took the risk of doing it while another port was under way.
> > Paolo> As somebody said, competition is good, especially in a case
> >
> > How can there be competetion when people working on the Sun/Inprise
> > JDK are on our internal mailing list and have access to our CVS
> > archive?
> >
> > Paolo> like this where the outcome benefit only the developers of
> > Paolo> Java applications. I believe that from today it's clear to
> > Paolo> anybody that Linux is a viable platform for Java
> > Paolo> applications.
> >
> > I never would have had a problem with Sun doing final testing and
> > releasing.
> > Eddie and me are asking for the 1.2.2 JCK over and over again, I've
> > been asking for code updates several times. The only thing we've got
> > so far are "You'll get it" _answers_...
> > Sun wants us to port extension APIs and to work on 1.3 but given this
> > sad story, you can imagine our motivation is very low.
> >
> > Paolo> On a similar like for JDK 1.3 Sun announced that they are
> > Paolo> going to do a Linux port directly. At the same time
> > Paolo> Blackdown is working on early code and we saw that some of
> > Paolo> the early patches are included in the standard 1.3 code. At
> > Paolo> the same time IBM announced their porting effort.
> >
> > Yep, some code from us in is 1.3, e.g. the large file support code
> > I've written a year ago -- this code wrong, it will never work that
> > way.
> > That's why we never used this code, I replaced it long before the
> > 1.2pre1 release, nevertheless the wrong code is 1.3. Sun's merging
> > strategy always has been a mystery to me.
> >
> > Doing a complete JDK 1.3 port shouldn't be to hard, e.g. we already
> > have HotSpot running on Sparc Linux. Who cares?
> >
> > Juergen
> >
> > --
> > Juergen Kreileder, Blackdown Java-Linux Porting Team
> > http://www.blackdown.org/java-linux.html
> >
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