On Feb 16, 4:51 am, "Joe Nuxoll (Java Posse)" <[email protected]>
wrote:

> The Apple SDK and tools are free, and are pretty
> much state-of-the-art (tool religion battles aside).  

FWIW, a large part of the Apple SDK is GPLd, open source, etc.:
http://opensource.apple.com/release/developer-tools-321/

Whether Mach-O is state-of-the-art-er then ELF is debatable. ;)

> (4) Open source is not a model unto itself - it is a business decision
> made by a company or person (contributor) that aligns with the overall
> objectives of that company or person.

Open source is, at the core, a legal framework for software licenses.
It's
the equivalent of the shipping container for source code - a set of
known
properties allowing source code distributed under an open source
license to be used, modified and distributed with usually lower
(legal) transaction costs then source code distributed under
unilateral or bilateral vendor-specific legal agreements.

Whether that matters to you one way or another depends on what you
do.

> They open source some of their work (like webkit)

Since the core of webkit is licensed under the LGPL, it would be
surprising
if Apple didn't publish that particular bit of code.

>  The food on your
> table is not donated to you by open-source food producers.  It's
> business.  You pay for it because you value it.

I pay for it regardless whether I value food or not. Agricultural
subsidies in
the EU and US take care of that on one hand, and the need to avoid
starvation on the other. Food is very, very different from software -
I can't die from not using iTunes. At least I hope so ...

I don't think you really understand what open source is - it is a
legal framework for
software licenses. Today, like in the past 'couple' of years, most
food does
not come with legal agreements governing its use, modification, or
distribution.
It is "open source" by design - you can use it to prepare any kind of
meal,
feed it to your loved ones, give it away etc. You can take the seeds
and
grow your own, if you feel like it, too. And despite all that, there
is a
massive agricultural industry built on "open source" produce with a
myriad
of business models.

Of course, genetically modified crops come with EULAs these days:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/smarta/2863508948/  - but I don't think
that the past couple of thousand of years without the humanity
dropping
dead for the lack of EULAs to protect the business models of the food
producers are an argument backing up your claims. ;)

>  You pay what you pay
> because (a) you and others have decided you are willing to take on the
> cost burden for the benefit, and (b) because it costs something *less*
> than that to make.

I'm curious if you have actually read any scientific analysis of
current
agricultural markets, as your take on it is extremely simplistic. In
current
agricultural markets, you have tariffs, subsidies, intermediaries,
distribution
channels, governmental mandates, locality, and so on, that all make
the actual
agricultural markets a lot more complex then the trivial direct,
informed
producer-consumer relationship you picture.

cheers,
dalibor topic

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