>  Like other posts mentioned, apple has a unique ability to
> innovate and create new markets.    Look at what ipod/itune changed
> the music industry (whether you like it or not).  

Apple innovates for sure, but please, they did not invent MP3 nor
digital music distribution. Innovation happens all the time, Apple is
good at building convergence products and paving the way for new
(often struggling) distribution channels, but they are certainly not
the only ones. They have the advantage of controlling their own
platform and locking competitors out, but can no longer hide under the
small-player rug.

> Not to mention
> before iphone, those so call smart phones are the ones that you can
> send email and browse web with crappy browser - and that is it.   You
> have to agree that the modern smart phones such as android and palm
> pre -  are strongly influenced by iphone.

Apple had great timing. That, along with high standards served them
well. You can claim everyone else are copycats but really, how many
ways are there to put a phone together? If you have examined Android
vs. iPhone you'll see that they are significantly different. I'm sure
the same applies for Palm.

> but the MS mentality that
> everything they do have to use windows is just not very bright.

Microsoft makes Silverlight, Office etc. for the Mac while Apple makes
iTunes for Windows (but only so they can sell content). So tell me,
how exactly does that make Apple any better than Microsoft?

> Maybe apple
> create closed products (that does not bother me specially on ipod
> touch since I dont have to worry about malware),

Today you can still find a lot of Iraqi citizens who will say
something similar about the Saddam era, if you exchange a few words
"Sure he killed and tortured those he did not like, but that does not
bother me especially since I didn't have to worry about thieves".

> but without apple it
> will take many years more for us to get the technology that are
> available to us today.

Your faith is strong.

> Finally, I dont agree that Apple is as evil as MS.  Microsoft stops to
> innovate after they have the market share.

That's not exactly evil though, that's just setting yourself up for
whoop-ass later.

> Just look at the gap
> between IE6 to IE7 (I will argue that also delays advancement of web
> development technologies),

While MSIE sucks for sure, they were the ones behind webservices and
XmlHttpRequest which would later become the underpinning of web 2.0
and Apple's war against Adobe etc.

> Apple does not the chance to enjoy such
> market dominance (except ipod but that is just an appliance)

It's funny how everyone keeps invoking the device/appliance argument,
as if somehow that turns a computer into a toaster. Apple are well
under way of achieving dominance and I guess we're just some who see
grave dangers in that prospect and who aren't ready to take the blue
pill.

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