You're so busy on your FUD screaming rampage, that you don't actually relate to the issues at hand. Forget about building OpenJDK for a moment please.
1) Would you agree that given actions and words, Apple also considers Java an inferior and irrelevant platform? 2) While Steve's cross-air might be aimed at Adobe, his flak shooting has broad implications across the board. Do you think he has moral issues with the collateral damage it's creating beyond his own iWorld? (i.e. Novell's MonoTouch customers) 3) Do you see any monopolistic behavioral pattern that suggests Apple is the new Microsoft, except that Apple has the benefit of good taste and is still not big enough as a target for anti-trust litigation? /Casper “We’ve been there before, and intermediate layers between the platform and the developer ultimately produces sub-standard apps and hinders the progress of the platform.” On May 4, 2:20 pm, Reinier Zwitserloot <[email protected]> wrote: > Given that OpenJDK7 already builds on Mac OS X today, I'm guessing > we'll have to wait about a minute after OpenJDK 7 final is released, > depending on how fast your computer can build the OpenJDK. Duh. > > Stop fudding. > > On May 4, 10:42 am, Kevin Wright <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > > > 1. The recent letter to Adobe shows that Apple clearly believe Cocoa to the > > the "One True Way". Anything else is going through a "private library" or > > "intermediate framework", and we KNOW what happens to those. > > > 2. Java access to Cocoa has been deprecated. This is not just lack of a > > timely release, it's now permanently locked out of the pearly gates (unless > > it goes via JNI, which will mean someone else's framework...) > > > 3. As for timely updates of Java? The painfully slow wait for Java 6, > > accompanied by no information whatsoever, is now infamous in the eyes of > > many developers. Given that Apple now seem to consider Java less important > > that it was back then, how long will we have to wait for Java 7 once it's > > out? > > > On 4 May 2010 02:16, Reinier Zwitserloot <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Of course it's 100% FUD - the fact that apple no longer considered > > > cocoa libraries for java important is completely irrelevant compared > > > to releasing timely java updates. I don't see the availability or > > > timeless of updates of MFC bindings in windows java, or KDE bindings > > > for linux java raise anyone's concern. Why should cocoa be any > > > different? > > > > On May 3, 5:03 pm, Kevin Wright <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > It's not 100% FUD > > > > > Java as a user of the Cocoa API got relegated to a 2nd class citizen > > > > with > > > > the release of OSX Tiger: > > >http://developer.apple.com/mac/library/qa/qa2001/qa1342.html > > > > > On 3 May 2010 15:17, Reinier Zwitserloot <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > Casper, for the fiftheenth bloody time, STOP FUDDING about java on > > > > > macs. > > > > > >http://landonf.bikemonkey.org/static/soylatte/ > > > > > > OpenJDK for the win. > > > > > > Pro-Apple bias amongst geeks is rooted due to the fact that as far as > > > > > notebooks are concerned, apple's hardware is fit for a programmer > > > > > whereas your average notebook / desktop PC that doesn't host a shiny > > > > > apple logo on it is a piece of crap. It's hard to take a standpoint > > > > > against a supplier of something no one else supplies. If it had been > > > > > related to 'alternative to microsoft', we'd have seen similar bias > > > > > towards linux and solaris but that's not really panning out, hence > > > > > your theory does not seem to hold water. > > > > > > On May 3, 11:29 am, Casper Bang <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > In this particular context, I think the bias is rooted in your foe's > > > > > > enemy being your friend. For the longest time Apple was the escape > > > pod > > > > > > that hardcore Java developers took from the evil empire's mother > > > ship. > > > > > > However, these recent events are really just a predictable further > > > > > > escalation, considering Java on a Mac is typically 1½-2 years behind > > > > > > other platform releases. It should come as no surprise then, when > > > > > > Apple undoubtedly drops all support for client Java within the > > > not-too- > > > > > > distant future invoking all too familiar arguments. I do feel that > > > > > > several of the posse members took a far more healthy and critical > > > > > > outlook on Apple over the past year though, lead by our posse editor > > > > > > in chief. > > > > > > > /Casper > > > > > > > On May 3, 10:45 am, Liam Knox <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > Should I just say Apple is purely after a monopoly i.e. the cash, > > > > > > > unlike Joe's stated reasons ? > > > > > > > Does that make it clearer > > > > > > > > On May 3, 5:06 pm, Kerry Sainsbury <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > On Mon, May 3, 2010 at 3:25 PM, [email protected] < > > > > > > > > > [email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > To describe Apples doctorine on Flash or Java on their > > > > > > > > > > mobile > > > > > devices > > > > > > > > > > as purely due to a want of consistent user experience is > > > > > > > > > > just > > > > > nonsense > > > > > > > > > > > The clear reason.... > > > > > > > > > > Not convincing! Calling something "nonsense" or "clear" > > > doesn't > > > > > make > > > > > > > > > it so. Try forming a cogent argument next time. > > > > > > > > > Well, Liam's next sentence was "You could equally diverge from > > > their > > > > > > > > perceived athletics using objective C of any of their mandated > > > > > > > > technologies", which sounded reasonable to me -- apart from > > > > > > > > some > > > > > issues > > > > > > > > with English. > > > > > > > > > I believe he meant: > > > > > > > > > "You could equally diverge from their perceived aesthetics using > > > > > Objective C > > > > > > > > or any of their mandated technologies". > > > > > > > > > Does that make it clearer? > > > > > > > > > Why would the UI I create using Objective C be any better than > > > the UI > > > > > I > > > > > > > > would create using any other framework or language, if that > > > framework > > > > > or > > > > > > > > language calls the same UI layer that Objective C does? > > > > > > > > > In fact I'm sure that some frameworks could actually enhance the > > > UI > > > > > that I > > > > 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