Given that OpenJDK7 already builds on Mac OS X today, I'm guessing we'll have to wait about a minute after OpenJDK 7 final is released, depending on how fast your computer can build the OpenJDK. Duh.
Stop fudding. On May 4, 10:42 am, Kevin Wright <[email protected]> wrote: > 1. The recent letter to Adobe shows that Apple clearly believe Cocoa to the > the "One True Way". Anything else is going through a "private library" or > "intermediate framework", and we KNOW what happens to those. > > 2. Java access to Cocoa has been deprecated. This is not just lack of a > timely release, it's now permanently locked out of the pearly gates (unless > it goes via JNI, which will mean someone else's framework...) > > 3. As for timely updates of Java? The painfully slow wait for Java 6, > accompanied by no information whatsoever, is now infamous in the eyes of > many developers. Given that Apple now seem to consider Java less important > that it was back then, how long will we have to wait for Java 7 once it's > out? > > On 4 May 2010 02:16, Reinier Zwitserloot <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > Of course it's 100% FUD - the fact that apple no longer considered > > cocoa libraries for java important is completely irrelevant compared > > to releasing timely java updates. I don't see the availability or > > timeless of updates of MFC bindings in windows java, or KDE bindings > > for linux java raise anyone's concern. Why should cocoa be any > > different? > > > On May 3, 5:03 pm, Kevin Wright <[email protected]> wrote: > > > It's not 100% FUD > > > > Java as a user of the Cocoa API got relegated to a 2nd class citizen with > > > the release of OSX Tiger: > >http://developer.apple.com/mac/library/qa/qa2001/qa1342.html > > > > On 3 May 2010 15:17, Reinier Zwitserloot <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Casper, for the fiftheenth bloody time, STOP FUDDING about java on > > > > macs. > > > > >http://landonf.bikemonkey.org/static/soylatte/ > > > > > OpenJDK for the win. > > > > > Pro-Apple bias amongst geeks is rooted due to the fact that as far as > > > > notebooks are concerned, apple's hardware is fit for a programmer > > > > whereas your average notebook / desktop PC that doesn't host a shiny > > > > apple logo on it is a piece of crap. It's hard to take a standpoint > > > > against a supplier of something no one else supplies. If it had been > > > > related to 'alternative to microsoft', we'd have seen similar bias > > > > towards linux and solaris but that's not really panning out, hence > > > > your theory does not seem to hold water. > > > > > On May 3, 11:29 am, Casper Bang <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > In this particular context, I think the bias is rooted in your foe's > > > > > enemy being your friend. For the longest time Apple was the escape > > pod > > > > > that hardcore Java developers took from the evil empire's mother > > ship. > > > > > However, these recent events are really just a predictable further > > > > > escalation, considering Java on a Mac is typically 1½-2 years behind > > > > > other platform releases. It should come as no surprise then, when > > > > > Apple undoubtedly drops all support for client Java within the > > not-too- > > > > > distant future invoking all too familiar arguments. I do feel that > > > > > several of the posse members took a far more healthy and critical > > > > > outlook on Apple over the past year though, lead by our posse editor > > > > > in chief. > > > > > > /Casper > > > > > > On May 3, 10:45 am, Liam Knox <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > Should I just say Apple is purely after a monopoly i.e. the cash, > > > > > > unlike Joe's stated reasons ? > > > > > > Does that make it clearer > > > > > > > On May 3, 5:06 pm, Kerry Sainsbury <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > On Mon, May 3, 2010 at 3:25 PM, [email protected] < > > > > > > > > [email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > To describe Apples doctorine on Flash or Java on their mobile > > > > devices > > > > > > > > > as purely due to a want of consistent user experience is just > > > > nonsense > > > > > > > > > > The clear reason.... > > > > > > > > > Not convincing! Calling something "nonsense" or "clear" > > doesn't > > > > make > > > > > > > > it so. Try forming a cogent argument next time. > > > > > > > > Well, Liam's next sentence was "You could equally diverge from > > their > > > > > > > perceived athletics using objective C of any of their mandated > > > > > > > technologies", which sounded reasonable to me -- apart from some > > > > issues > > > > > > > with English. > > > > > > > > I believe he meant: > > > > > > > > "You could equally diverge from their perceived aesthetics using > > > > Objective C > > > > > > > or any of their mandated technologies". > > > > > > > > Does that make it clearer? > > > > > > > > Why would the UI I create using Objective C be any better than > > the UI > > > > I > > > > > > > would create using any other framework or language, if that > > framework > > > > or > > > > > > > language calls the same UI layer that Objective C does? > > > > > > > > In fact I'm sure that some frameworks could actually enhance the > > UI > > > > that I > > > > > > > would create, because I make AWFUL user interfaces. > > > > > > > > (sorry for jumping in Liam!) > > > > > > > > Cheers > > > > > > > Kerry > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the > > Google > > > > Groups "The Java Posse" group. > > > > > > > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > > > > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > > > [email protected]<javaposse%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups > > > > .com> > > <javaposse%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups .com> > > > > . > > > > > > > For more options, visit this group athttp:// > > > > groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en. > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > > > > Groups "The Java Posse" group. > > > > > > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > > > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > > > [email protected]<javaposse%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups > > > > .com> > > <javaposse%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups .com> > > > > . > > > > > > For more options, visit this group athttp:// > > > > groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en. > > > > > > -- > > > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > > Groups > > > > "The Java Posse" group. > > > > > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > > > [email protected]<javaposse%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups > > > > .com> > > <javaposse%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups .com> > > > > . > > > > > For more options, visit this group athttp:// > > > > groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en. > > > > > -- > > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > > Groups > > > > "The Java Posse" group. > > > > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > > > [email protected]<javaposse%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups > > > > .com> > > <javaposse%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups .com> > > > > . > > > > For more options, visit this group at > > > >http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en. > > > > -- > > > Kevin Wright > > > > mail/google talk: [email protected] > > > wave: [email protected] > > > skype: kev.lee.wright > > > twitter: @thecoda > > > > -- > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > > "The Java Posse" group. > > > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > [email protected]<javaposse%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups > > .com> > > . > > > For more options, visit this group athttp:// > > groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en. > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > > "The Java Posse" group. > > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > [email protected]<javaposse%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups > > .com> > > . > > For more options, visit this group at > >http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en. > > -- > Kevin Wright > > mail/google talk: [email protected] > wave: [email protected] > skype: kev.lee.wright > twitter: @thecoda > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "The Java Posse" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]. > For more options, visit this group > athttp://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "The Java Posse" group. 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