Of course it's 100% FUD - the fact that apple no longer considered cocoa libraries for java important is completely irrelevant compared to releasing timely java updates. I don't see the availability or timeless of updates of MFC bindings in windows java, or KDE bindings for linux java raise anyone's concern. Why should cocoa be any different?
On May 3, 5:03 pm, Kevin Wright <[email protected]> wrote: > It's not 100% FUD > > Java as a user of the Cocoa API got relegated to a 2nd class citizen with > the release of OSX > Tiger:http://developer.apple.com/mac/library/qa/qa2001/qa1342.html > > On 3 May 2010 15:17, Reinier Zwitserloot <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > Casper, for the fiftheenth bloody time, STOP FUDDING about java on > > macs. > > >http://landonf.bikemonkey.org/static/soylatte/ > > > OpenJDK for the win. > > > Pro-Apple bias amongst geeks is rooted due to the fact that as far as > > notebooks are concerned, apple's hardware is fit for a programmer > > whereas your average notebook / desktop PC that doesn't host a shiny > > apple logo on it is a piece of crap. It's hard to take a standpoint > > against a supplier of something no one else supplies. If it had been > > related to 'alternative to microsoft', we'd have seen similar bias > > towards linux and solaris but that's not really panning out, hence > > your theory does not seem to hold water. > > > On May 3, 11:29 am, Casper Bang <[email protected]> wrote: > > > In this particular context, I think the bias is rooted in your foe's > > > enemy being your friend. For the longest time Apple was the escape pod > > > that hardcore Java developers took from the evil empire's mother ship. > > > However, these recent events are really just a predictable further > > > escalation, considering Java on a Mac is typically 1½-2 years behind > > > other platform releases. It should come as no surprise then, when > > > Apple undoubtedly drops all support for client Java within the not-too- > > > distant future invoking all too familiar arguments. I do feel that > > > several of the posse members took a far more healthy and critical > > > outlook on Apple over the past year though, lead by our posse editor > > > in chief. > > > > /Casper > > > > On May 3, 10:45 am, Liam Knox <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Should I just say Apple is purely after a monopoly i.e. the cash, > > > > unlike Joe's stated reasons ? > > > > Does that make it clearer > > > > > On May 3, 5:06 pm, Kerry Sainsbury <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > On Mon, May 3, 2010 at 3:25 PM, [email protected] < > > > > > > [email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > To describe Apples doctorine on Flash or Java on their mobile > > devices > > > > > > > as purely due to a want of consistent user experience is just > > nonsense > > > > > > > > The clear reason.... > > > > > > > Not convincing! Calling something "nonsense" or "clear" doesn't > > make > > > > > > it so. Try forming a cogent argument next time. > > > > > > Well, Liam's next sentence was "You could equally diverge from their > > > > > perceived athletics using objective C of any of their mandated > > > > > technologies", which sounded reasonable to me -- apart from some > > issues > > > > > with English. > > > > > > I believe he meant: > > > > > > "You could equally diverge from their perceived aesthetics using > > Objective C > > > > > or any of their mandated technologies". > > > > > > Does that make it clearer? > > > > > > Why would the UI I create using Objective C be any better than the UI > > I > > > > > would create using any other framework or language, if that framework > > or > > > > > language calls the same UI layer that Objective C does? > > > > > > In fact I'm sure that some frameworks could actually enhance the UI > > that I > > > > > would create, because I make AWFUL user interfaces. > > > > > > (sorry for jumping in Liam!) > > > > > > Cheers > > > > > Kerry > > > > > > -- > > > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > > Groups "The Java Posse" group. > > > > > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > [email protected]<javaposse%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups > > .com> > > . > > > > > For more options, visit this group athttp:// > > groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en. > > > > > -- > > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > > Groups "The Java Posse" group. > > > > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > [email protected]<javaposse%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups > > .com> > > . > > > > For more options, visit this group athttp:// > > groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en. > > > > -- > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > > "The Java Posse" group. > > > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > [email protected]<javaposse%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups > > .com> > > . > > > For more options, visit this group athttp:// > > groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en. > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > > "The Java Posse" group. > > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > [email protected]<javaposse%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups > > .com> > > . > > For more options, visit this group at > >http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en. > > -- > Kevin Wright > > mail/google talk: [email protected] > wave: [email protected] > skype: kev.lee.wright > twitter: @thecoda > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "The Java Posse" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]. > For more options, visit this group > athttp://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "The Java Posse" group. 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