It's not 100% FUD Java as a user of the Cocoa API got relegated to a 2nd class citizen with the release of OSX Tiger: http://developer.apple.com/mac/library/qa/qa2001/qa1342.html
On 3 May 2010 15:17, Reinier Zwitserloot <[email protected]> wrote: > Casper, for the fiftheenth bloody time, STOP FUDDING about java on > macs. > > http://landonf.bikemonkey.org/static/soylatte/ > > OpenJDK for the win. > > Pro-Apple bias amongst geeks is rooted due to the fact that as far as > notebooks are concerned, apple's hardware is fit for a programmer > whereas your average notebook / desktop PC that doesn't host a shiny > apple logo on it is a piece of crap. It's hard to take a standpoint > against a supplier of something no one else supplies. If it had been > related to 'alternative to microsoft', we'd have seen similar bias > towards linux and solaris but that's not really panning out, hence > your theory does not seem to hold water. > > > On May 3, 11:29 am, Casper Bang <[email protected]> wrote: > > In this particular context, I think the bias is rooted in your foe's > > enemy being your friend. For the longest time Apple was the escape pod > > that hardcore Java developers took from the evil empire's mother ship. > > However, these recent events are really just a predictable further > > escalation, considering Java on a Mac is typically 1½-2 years behind > > other platform releases. It should come as no surprise then, when > > Apple undoubtedly drops all support for client Java within the not-too- > > distant future invoking all too familiar arguments. I do feel that > > several of the posse members took a far more healthy and critical > > outlook on Apple over the past year though, lead by our posse editor > > in chief. > > > > /Casper > > > > On May 3, 10:45 am, Liam Knox <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Should I just say Apple is purely after a monopoly i.e. the cash, > > > unlike Joe's stated reasons ? > > > Does that make it clearer > > > > > On May 3, 5:06 pm, Kerry Sainsbury <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > On Mon, May 3, 2010 at 3:25 PM, [email protected] < > > > > > > [email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > To describe Apples doctorine on Flash or Java on their mobile > devices > > > > > > as purely due to a want of consistent user experience is just > nonsense > > > > > > > > The clear reason.... > > > > > > > Not convincing! Calling something "nonsense" or "clear" doesn't > make > > > > > it so. Try forming a cogent argument next time. > > > > > > Well, Liam's next sentence was "You could equally diverge from their > > > > perceived athletics using objective C of any of their mandated > > > > technologies", which sounded reasonable to me -- apart from some > issues > > > > with English. > > > > > > I believe he meant: > > > > > > "You could equally diverge from their perceived aesthetics using > Objective C > > > > or any of their mandated technologies". > > > > > > Does that make it clearer? > > > > > > Why would the UI I create using Objective C be any better than the UI > I > > > > would create using any other framework or language, if that framework > or > > > > language calls the same UI layer that Objective C does? > > > > > > In fact I'm sure that some frameworks could actually enhance the UI > that I > > > > would create, because I make AWFUL user interfaces. > > > > > > (sorry for jumping in Liam!) > > > > > > Cheers > > > > Kerry > > > > > > -- > > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "The Java Posse" group. > > > > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]<javaposse%[email protected]> > . > > > > For more options, visit this group athttp:// > groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en. > > > > > -- > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "The Java Posse" group. > > > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]<javaposse%[email protected]> > . > > > For more options, visit this group athttp:// > groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en. > > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "The Java Posse" group. > > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]<javaposse%[email protected]> > . > > For more options, visit this group athttp:// > groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "The Java Posse" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]<javaposse%[email protected]> > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en. > > -- Kevin Wright mail/google talk: [email protected] wave: [email protected] skype: kev.lee.wright twitter: @thecoda -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "The Java Posse" group. 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