The think I like most about tools like this is the ability to visualize what is already there. I won't use it that often to write code, but for understanding the code base, learning how things are organized, and following an execution path; this is what these kinds of tools are good for.
On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 2:44 PM, Christian Edward Gruber < [email protected]> wrote: > In principle, I agree that taking a design -> code approach is going to > work in an agile environment far less conveniently than a code -> design > approach. Beyond that I can't say. I haven't used your tool. Personally I > do prefer to document as/after the fact, not up-front. > > Christian. > > > On May 11, 2010, at 2:30 PM, Vineet wrote: > > Christian, >> Glad you like it. >> >> Good point about sales. I am really not worrying too much about that >> right now. I just want to make sure that people find it useful. >> >> As for the different take: we are taking a reverse-engineering based >> approach as opposed to the more popular design based approaches. Are >> there other tools that do reverse-engineering: yes, but they are >> typically very limited in their capabilities - so much so that teams >> have a hard time using them when they try to follow an agile >> development approach. Do you agree? >> >> Vineet >> >> >> On May 11, 1:29 pm, Christian Edward Gruber >> <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> So - nothing against your offering, which seems pretty nice... but >>> it's not a "different take". Generating diagrams from code, reverse/ >>> forward engineering such diagrams, and round-trip stuff has been >>> around since the mid-to-late 90's, and some of it was in decent form >>> at the time, as well. >>> >>> If you can make it more usable, then kudos... but it's not really >>> innovative in any respect that I saw. I wouldn't try to sell it that >>> way - a lot of people with experience with those systems are now >>> decision makers and will consider you to not have done your research >>> if you present this sort of thing as new. >>> >>> Christian. >>> >>> On May 11, 2010, at 1:11 PM, Vineet wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Wasn't Together Control Center acquired by Borland, and what is not >>>> part of their core? I talked to some ex-Borland folk, and my >>>> understanding is that what got them popular was this reverse >>>> engineering engineering support to something useful that they had >>>> added. >>>> >>> >>> Regardless, here is perhaps the question: What in particular do you >>>> like about the video? And, do you use any UML tools? If not, does this >>>> meet your needs? What can we do to help you with the tool? >>>> >>> >>> Thanks! >>>> >>> >>> Vineet >>>> -- >>>> Founder, Architexa >>>> [email protected] :: 617.818.0548 >>>> www.architexa.com- Know Your Code >>>> >>> >>> On May 11, 12:34 pm, Robert Casto <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Take a look at Together Control Center. They had the code to UML view >>>>> working in both directions. It doesn't have all the nice GUI stuff >>>>> your tool >>>>> appears to have, but they did this some time ago and ended up >>>>> selling it and >>>>> closing the company because they couldn't compete with Rational. >>>>> >>>> >>> On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 12:28 PM, Vineet <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I have been extremely frustrated with UML tooling in the past, and >>>>>> for >>>>>> the last 2+ years have been involved in a project for building >>>>>> something very cool. See a video here: >>>>>> >>>>>> http://blog.architexa.com/2010/05/different-take-on-uml-a-sneak-preview/ >>>>>> >>>>> >>> Most UML Tools focus on creating diagrams before coding, but we >>>>>> believe in having diagrams made from code. Where other tools require >>>>>> months of work to get something useful, we want to get you useful >>>>>> results in minutes if not seconds. Some tools require reading lots >>>>>> of >>>>>> documentation to use, but we have wanted a tool that you can get >>>>>> up to >>>>>> speed in 5 minutes. >>>>>> >>>>> >>> What do you think of it? As we are rolling this out, I would really >>>>>> like to hear your thoughts on what we should focus on to help you >>>>>> with >>>>>> your work. >>>>>> >>>>> >>> Regards, >>>>>> Vineet >>>>>> >>>>> >>> -- >>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>> Groups >>>>>> "The Java Posse" group. >>>>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>>> [email protected]<javaposse%[email protected]> >>>>>> <javaposse >>>>>> %2bunsubscr...@googlegroups .com> >>>>>> . >>>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en. >>>>>> >>>>> >>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "The Java Posse" group. >>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>> [email protected]<javaposse%[email protected]> >>>> . >>>> For more options, visit this group athttp:// >>>> groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en >>>> . >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "The Java Posse" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> [email protected]<javaposse%[email protected]> >>> . >>> For more options, visit this group athttp:// >>> groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en. >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "The Java Posse" group. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> [email protected]<javaposse%[email protected]> >> . >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en. >> >> > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "The Java Posse" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]<javaposse%[email protected]> > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en. > > -- Robert Casto www.IWantFreeShipping.com Find Amazon Filler Items easily! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "The Java Posse" group. 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