do you have a beta available for trial? On 12 May 2010 11:05, Vineet <[email protected]> wrote:
> Exactly, UML tools need to be more useful when you already have code. > I find it a pity that not many people are talking about their needs > for better tools, and as a result we do not get the benefit of having > tools meet these needs. > > Christian, I know you haven't used our tool - but if you are > interested in talking about what we are building meets/doesn't meet > your needs publicly (here, your blog, etc) I can sponsor a license for > you. > > Robert, or anyone else, if you want to help raise the level of > discussion on such tools, drop me an e-mail: vineet at architexa dot > com > > Vineet > > > On May 11, 3:00 pm, Robert Casto <[email protected]> wrote: > > The think I like most about tools like this is the ability to visualize > what > > is already there. I won't use it that often to write code, but for > > understanding the code base, learning how things are organized, and > > following an execution path; this is what these kinds of tools are good > for. > > > > On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 2:44 PM, Christian Edward Gruber < > > > > > > > > > > > > [email protected]> wrote: > > > In principle, I agree that taking a design -> code approach is going to > > > work in an agile environment far less conveniently than a code -> > design > > > approach. Beyond that I can't say. I haven't used your tool. > Personally I > > > do prefer to document as/after the fact, not up-front. > > > > > Christian. > > > > > On May 11, 2010, at 2:30 PM, Vineet wrote: > > > > > Christian, > > >> Glad you like it. > > > > >> Good point about sales. I am really not worrying too much about that > > >> right now. I just want to make sure that people find it useful. > > > > >> As for the different take: we are taking a reverse-engineering based > > >> approach as opposed to the more popular design based approaches. Are > > >> there other tools that do reverse-engineering: yes, but they are > > >> typically very limited in their capabilities - so much so that teams > > >> have a hard time using them when they try to follow an agile > > >> development approach. Do you agree? > > > > >> Vineet > > > > >> On May 11, 1:29 pm, Christian Edward Gruber > > >> <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > >>> So - nothing against your offering, which seems pretty nice... but > > >>> it's not a "different take". Generating diagrams from code, reverse/ > > >>> forward engineering such diagrams, and round-trip stuff has been > > >>> around since the mid-to-late 90's, and some of it was in decent form > > >>> at the time, as well. > > > > >>> If you can make it more usable, then kudos... but it's not really > > >>> innovative in any respect that I saw. I wouldn't try to sell it that > > >>> way - a lot of people with experience with those systems are now > > >>> decision makers and will consider you to not have done your research > > >>> if you present this sort of thing as new. > > > > >>> Christian. > > > > >>> On May 11, 2010, at 1:11 PM, Vineet wrote: > > > > >>> Wasn't Together Control Center acquired by Borland, and what is not > > >>>> part of their core? I talked to some ex-Borland folk, and my > > >>>> understanding is that what got them popular was this reverse > > >>>> engineering engineering support to something useful that they had > > >>>> added. > > > > >>> Regardless, here is perhaps the question: What in particular do you > > >>>> like about the video? And, do you use any UML tools? If not, does > this > > >>>> meet your needs? What can we do to help you with the tool? > > > > >>> Thanks! > > > > >>> Vineet > > >>>> -- > > >>>> Founder, Architexa > > >>>> [email protected] :: 617.818.0548 > > >>>>www.architexa.com-Know Your Code > > > > >>> On May 11, 12:34 pm, Robert Casto <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > >>>>> Take a look at Together Control Center. They had the code to UML > view > > >>>>> working in both directions. It doesn't have all the nice GUI stuff > > >>>>> your tool > > >>>>> appears to have, but they did this some time ago and ended up > > >>>>> selling it and > > >>>>> closing the company because they couldn't compete with Rational. > > > > >>> On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 12:28 PM, Vineet <[email protected]> > > >>>>> wrote: > > > > >>>>>> I have been extremely frustrated with UML tooling in the past, and > > >>>>>> for > > >>>>>> the last 2+ years have been involved in a project for building > > >>>>>> something very cool. See a video here: > > > > >>>>>> > http://blog.architexa.com/2010/05/different-take-on-uml-a-sneak-preview/ > > > > >>> Most UML Tools focus on creating diagrams before coding, but we > > >>>>>> believe in having diagrams made from code. Where other tools > require > > >>>>>> months of work to get something useful, we want to get you useful > > >>>>>> results in minutes if not seconds. Some tools require reading lots > > >>>>>> of > > >>>>>> documentation to use, but we have wanted a tool that you can get > > >>>>>> up to > > >>>>>> speed in 5 minutes. > > > > >>> What do you think of it? As we are rolling this out, I would really > > >>>>>> like to hear your thoughts on what we should focus on to help you > > >>>>>> with > > >>>>>> your work. > > > > >>> Regards, > > >>>>>> Vineet > > > > >>> -- > > >>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > > >>>>>> Groups > > >>>>>> "The Java Posse" group. > > >>>>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > > >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > >>>>>> [email protected]<javaposse%[email protected]> > <javaposse%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups .com> > > >>>>>> <javaposse > > >>>>>> %2bunsubscr...@googlegroups .com> > > >>>>>> . > > >>>>>> For more options, visit this group at > > >>>>>>http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en. > > > > >>> -- > > >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > > >>>> Groups "The Java Posse" group. > > >>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > > >>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > >>>> [email protected]<javaposse%[email protected]> > <javaposse%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups .com> > > >>>> . > > >>>> For more options, visit this group athttp:// > > >>>> groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en > > >>>> . > > > > >>> -- > > >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups > > >>> "The Java Posse" group. > > >>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > > >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > >>> [email protected]<javaposse%[email protected]> > <javaposse%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups .com> > > >>> . > > >>> For more options, visit this group athttp:// > > >>> groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en. > > > > >> -- > > >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups > > >> "The Java Posse" group. > > >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > > >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > >> [email protected]<javaposse%[email protected]> > <javaposse%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups .com> > > >> . > > >> For more options, visit this group at > > >>http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en. > > > > > -- > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups > > > "The Java Posse" group. > > > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > > [email protected]<javaposse%[email protected]> > <javaposse%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups .com> > > > . > > > For more options, visit this group at > > >http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en. > > > > -- > > Robert Castowww.IWantFreeShipping.com > > Find Amazon Filler Items easily! > > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "The Java Posse" group. > > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]<javaposse%[email protected]> > . > > For more options, visit this group athttp:// > groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "The Java Posse" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]<javaposse%[email protected]> > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en. > > -- "life is complex, it has both real and imaginary components" http://threebrightlights.blogspot.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "The Java Posse" group. 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