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On 8/29/10 16:18 , Casper Bang wrote:
>> Whether we like it or not, Java is now owned by Oracle and we
>> better get used to the idea if we still want to use it...
>
> Whether we like it or not, most of the interesting stuff around
> "Java" is NOT coming from Sun/Oracle... unfortunately it hasn't for
> a long
... but for Java itself. Figure out how Spring or anything else could
have had success if a solid, widespread and working platform hadn't be
there. Without Sun we'd be programming on Microsoft stuff, or C#, or
another bunch of platforms. Instead of building an extremely rich
ecosystem (most of the interesting stuff is written in Java) we would
be dispersed in different communities, the Microsoft one being the
largest one.
> time now. Immature or not, I believe they had little choice in the
> matter; JavaOne is first and foremost a trade show pushing
> Oracle's agenda ("Look at JavaFX, isn't it pretty..."). As Oracle
> decided
Sorry, but this is nonsense. Sure, there's a lot of Oracle stuff at
J1, as there was a lot of Sun stuff. But there's a content catalog
that one can search and there's a pretty high contribution by other
manufacturers and third parties. Somebody has listed that there is at
least a dozen speeches involving Google that could be cancelled, which
- - concurrent slots apart - means that one could fill two days with
Google stuff if he wants, without listening to Oracle speeches.
Everybody looks at the content catalog and decides whether to go to
and what to follow. I think that Google move has been very bad and the
only ones who will lose something are paying attendees. Very bad move
from Google.
> Google is hurtful to this agenda, Google employees at an Oracle
> sponsored event, would find themselves in a rather odd situation
> don't you think? What else can Google do to protest,
Just speak, for instance? Isn't the simplest thing that one can do in
a free context? In any case, I can understand that e.g. a public panel
about the future of Java with people from Oracle and Google can't be
held at the moment. But how purely technical things could be a
problem? For instance, take Romain's and Chet's talk about UI
animations. It could be even mostly unrelated from Java, Android or
whatsoever.
BTW, I didn't like at all the way the boycott has been announced by
Joshua Bloch. "We can't present...". Tell us clearly why you can't,
please. If there are legal reasons, why aren't they telling us
clearly? And frankly I don't understand how different could be, from a
legal point of view, to public speak in a venue hold by Oracle rather
than public speak elsewhere... Legal reason might most likely imply a
total silence (everything you say can be used against you). It just
sounds as a mere boycott to me.
PS I'm not soliciting any response from Google employees on this
mailing list, I understand their personal position. But I'm soliciting
a public statement by Google.
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Fabrizio Giudici - Java Architect, Project Manager
Tidalwave s.a.s. - "We make Java work. Everywhere."
java.net/blog/fabriziogiudici - www.tidalwave.it/people
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